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06 Feb 2019, 5:20 am

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And what law gives them the right to not be criticized for it?


So, in your view, everything that's happened here falls under the umbrella of valid criticism?


What about all the threats that kid received? Does that qualify as criticism?



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06 Feb 2019, 7:23 am

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What about all the threats that kid received? Does that qualify as criticism?

No.



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06 Feb 2019, 8:22 am

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I agree. I wouldn't compare MAGA hats with swastikas at all; that's a ridiculous comparison.

Saying this, I feel like people who wear MAGA hats don't really think too much about what Trump has said about many people---including prisoners of war.

It doesn't matter if one doesn't like McCain. But what he said about McCain not being a hero because he was "caught" (he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam) was absolutely ridiculous.


Then people who wear or wore Obama shirts didn’t and don’t think about the things Obama said.

It’s quite simplle of trump overall represents what you beleive the few things he says that doesn’t won’t matter as it’s him or the other side who overall is against what you beleive.
So I support trump. If I wouldn’t get killed I’d wear a maga hat but then some “liberal” might attack and kill me. Or force me to kill them.
Sad we live in a world where people have to live in fear of expressing their beliefs


There's probably like 5-10 people in America that think liberals are going to murder them & they're all just as anxious and paranoid as you are. Sly, seriously, there are no "radicalized left," coming to get you. That's just a boogeyman story trump tells to get his base all riled up.


What about all the threats that kid received?


Outrage by nutcases at someone who gained international notoriety for their punchable looking smug mug does not equate to roving bands of murderous lefties waiting to slit the throat of joe average maga hat wearer and you know it.


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06 Feb 2019, 9:01 am

Probably not actually murderous. But stuff I've read just here in the last couple of years has been pretty off putting.



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06 Feb 2019, 10:14 am

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Probably not actually murderous. But stuff I've read just here in the last couple of years has been pretty off putting.


Did you fact check it? Or just get paranoid like sly for no particular reason other than you read something on the internet?


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06 Feb 2019, 10:32 am

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I agree. I wouldn't compare MAGA hats with swastikas at all; that's a ridiculous comparison.

Saying this, I feel like people who wear MAGA hats don't really think too much about what Trump has said about many people---including prisoners of war.

It doesn't matter if one doesn't like McCain. But what he said about McCain not being a hero because he was "caught" (he was a prisoner of war in Vietnam) was absolutely ridiculous.


Then people who wear or wore Obama shirts didn’t and don’t think about the things Obama said.

It’s quite simplle of trump overall represents what you beleive the few things he says that doesn’t won’t matter as it’s him or the other side who overall is against what you beleive.
So I support trump. If I wouldn’t get killed I’d wear a maga hat but then some “liberal” might attack and kill me. Or force me to kill them.
Sad we live in a world where people have to live in fear of expressing their beliefs


There's probably like 5-10 people in America that think liberals are going to murder them & they're all just as anxious and paranoid as you are. Sly, seriously, there are no "radicalized left," coming to get you. That's just a boogeyman story trump tells to get his base all riled up.


What about all the threats that kid received?


Outrage by nutcases at someone who gained international notoriety for their punchable looking smug mug does not equate to roving bands of murderous lefties waiting to slit the throat of joe average maga hat wearer and you know it.


How many people would go around harming people with differing political views if there were no consequences, jail, loss of employment, family harmed?. How many of the people talking about Sandmann’s “punchable” face would actually punch him if the opportunity arised and they could get away with it? More then my mind can handle when I think about it.

Whatabout? Yeah same concept with people actually “beating some sense” into SJW, snowflakes”


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06 Feb 2019, 10:39 am

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Probably not actually murderous. But stuff I've read just here in the last couple of years has been pretty off putting.

True. It's wrong to express physical threats to people.

It's not wrong to have that desire.



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06 Feb 2019, 8:35 pm

Ok - please be careful not to use personal attacks. Goldfish, it is not up to you to offer a psychological diagnosis of Sly's mental state ('paranoid' used a couple of times), and Sly, please do not generalise a group of people as 'killers'.

There are probably more of these type of arguments seeping in, I really don't want to wade through all the comments, but the rules are clear. no personal attacks.


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06 Feb 2019, 9:04 pm

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Ok - please be careful not to use personal attacks. Goldfish, it is not up to you to offer a psychological diagnosis of Sly's mental state ('paranoid' used a couple of times), and Sly, please do not generalise a group of people as 'killers'.

There are probably more of these type of arguments seeping in, I really don't want to wade through all the comments, but the rules are clear. no personal attacks.


How is an accurate adjective a personal attack? :?

Or is this a matter of having to use the phrasing “suspected paranoia,” for I am not qualified to officially diagnose it?


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06 Feb 2019, 9:38 pm

This thread has wandered way off topic.

Could everyone please stick to the issues, and not discuss the users who are discussing the issues? Otherwise it will be better off locked if it triggers unproductive responses.

Note to Sly: it's not "liberals" who are trying to reduce the use of straws, plastic etc. This is a non political effort to reduce our waste and become more environmentally aware. Why is protecting our earth, and our species and that of all other species on the planet, ensuring our survival, defined as "liberal"?

OK, back on topic please.....


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06 Feb 2019, 9:53 pm

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Ok - please be careful not to use personal attacks. Goldfish, it is not up to you to offer a psychological diagnosis of Sly's mental state ('paranoid' used a couple of times), and Sly, please do not generalise a group of people as 'killers'.

There are probably more of these type of arguments seeping in, I really don't want to wade through all the comments, but the rules are clear. no personal attacks.


How is an accurate adjective a personal attack? :?

Or is this a matter of having to use the phrasing “suspected paranoia,” for I am not qualified to officially diagnose it?


No Goldfish, it is a matter of leaving personalities out of it altogether. If we all used accurate adjectives about each other, the fighting would descend very quickly. The inaccuracy or accuracy is not the issue. Do not make personal comments about each other.

That applies to all of you.


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06 Feb 2019, 10:09 pm

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Probably not actually murderous. But stuff I've read just here in the last couple of years has been pretty off putting.


Did you fact check it? Or just get paranoid like sly for no particular reason other than you read something on the internet?


How does one fact check off putting seething vitriolic jargon?



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06 Feb 2019, 10:42 pm

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Does anyone KNOW why the boys were wearing MAGA articles? Do they wear them everyday? Did a teacher hand them out? Did a sponsor of some sort? Did the boys have any choice in it?


In the video I posted NBC said Nick Sandmann bought his hat that day from a street vendor , I don't know the answer to your other questions.

Trump is pro life so I can see why they would think it appropriate to wear the hats on a pro life march.

Thanks! I finally caved in yesterday and watched the videos. I missed that. Then again I turned the sound off for some. It’s interesting watching things like this, and SEEING what’s happening.

I wonder why he bought that hat. To support Trumps pro-life stance, because he was cold, because he likes red....?

Do you know how old the boys are, on average? I suspect it’s mentioned somewhere in this thread, but I don’t remember. Also, why were the school boys in the march. I know here in Canada Catholic school kids are bused into Ottawa for rhe March for Life. Its part of the school program, regardless of the students personal beliefs. Also they generally get some time at the big shopping centre downtown :) In Ontario high school students are required to put in certain amounts of volunteer hours in order to graduate. Attending these marches with the school can count for your volunteer time.


Why does it matter why he was there or why he had the hat?
He and the other kids are well within their rights to attend protests and wear political hats just as left leaning kids are to attend march for life or women’s march.
Schools gave kids day off nation wide to attend anti gun protests but didn’t do so for them to attend pro gun protests.








...As a matter of fact, Sly, I believe there were some districts where kids who cut school were punished : Even, I believe, some, in districts where physical punishment of students is allowed (strongly anti-gun regulation I'm sure), who received pbysical punishment for cutting classes for anti-gun protest


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06 Feb 2019, 11:04 pm

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This thread has wandered way off topic.

Could everyone please stick to the issues, and not discuss the users who are discussing the issues? Otherwise it will be better off locked if it triggers unproductive responses.

Note to Sly: it's not "liberals" who are trying to reduce the use of straws, plastic etc. This is a non political effort to reduce our waste and become more environmentally aware. Why is protecting our earth, and our species and that of all other species on the planet, ensuring our survival, defined as "liberal"?

OK, back on topic please.....

It’s liberal democrats passing the laws not republican conservatives though.
And they did so without consideration for disabled people who need straws to drink.
When it’s a policy done by one party and the other party is opposed it’s a political issue.
Green peace is a political organization.
The ones passing it call themselves liberals.
So take it up with them.
Republican/conservatives try to pass anti abortion laws, they define themselves as such. Same people are anti weed.
Both issues are political polices if each party.

I don’t use straws except at fast food which would be hard to do without straws.
They could have tried biodegradable straws or paper straws etc. there’s other ways then bans. Bans won’t save the world or solve issues.



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06 Feb 2019, 11:15 pm

I need straws because of my disability. Of course the next step will be banning places where I need a straw. Although they probably won't outright ban them, they'll just be taxed so severely they'll be forced to shut down. Emphasis on the word forced.



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06 Feb 2019, 11:22 pm

:?...I do think that cardboard etc. straws - which are paper, biodegradable - could be encouraged. That is what I recall ice cream parlors, etc.,having when I was a kid. Sly, you seem to be arguing that s law is only valid if it received a minimum number of votes from the generally opposed party. People opposed to the ACA - " Obamacare " - argued this, that it passed with a majority but, because no Republicans voted for it, it was invalid. I think that that's a ridiculous argument! :x A majority is a majority, period. Likewise the people - including you - going on and on about the " tyranny " of Californiaa and New York. You are against majority rule :P?


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