Emergence of a Deadly Coronavirus
I hope you are right. But I have my doubts.
I don't know about June 1st but I think the recovery from restrictions will slow and uneven.
Instead of total lockdown there will be targeted lockdowns. One person tests positive will result in a whole area lockdown or a whole company reshut. There will be local or regional outbreaks.
In areas where nobody is testing positive masks and social distancing will continue. Even if the government lifts restrictions I think a lot of people will still refuse to go into crowded restaurants, movie theaters, stadiums etc.
Those that have had the disease will be allowed to go back to work first.
Because of financial desperation needs people who have not gotten it yet will reluctantly go back to work but a lot more of it will be done online from now on.
I also think from now on there will be restrictions because of seasonal flu.
There's always going to be one person testing positive. This virus is not going to disappear. If a vaccine is developed over the course of a couple of years after its development covid might be put under control like measles was.
The idea of putting long term extreme controls in place to save lives is a bad one. Most people die of heart and cardiovascular disease. So of course the idea is for the government to put controls on what kind of food is allowed to be consumed and so on.
There are a number of things the government can put extreme controls on to save lives. I personally do not care to spend my entire life as a tightly controlled automaton so that I can live longer. Big Bother making sure that I get the right amount of sleep, the right amount of exercise, drink enough water, eat a specific diet and so on so that I can live as long as possible; doesn't sound like much of a life.
What I am predicting and fearing is that we will not treat minor and seasonable outbreaks as we have past.
I am predicting we won’t need Big Brother. Big Anxiety and Big Paranoia will do the job for them.
Perhaps. Not sure. People do all kinds of things they know puts their life at risk like smoking. I think the attitude is it's not going to happen to them. And when it comes to not dying of the flu or the virus, the odds are way in their favor provided they are not in the high risk group. But who knows.
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Did you wonder why toilet paper was swept off store shelves in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic?
Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan and a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company, said, "We have this illusion as consumers that we go to the store and the shelves always are stocked. There's always stuff there," Luke told host Dave Anthony. "So we tend to think there's always backup; there's always a bunch there. We don't see that it's actually so highly tuned, there really is no backup in the channel."
"If you get just a small increase in that, the volume that people want to purchase at once, that really hits the store shelves pretty big," Luke went on. "We think the store shelves are always full, but they're not. They're just constantly being replenished, or they are in normal times. So if you just increase demand a little bit, all of a sudden that shelf looks a lot more empty.
"And that's what sends a message to people," Luke said. "It's like, 'Oh, my gosh, this, this is not normal.'"
Luke added that the surge in people working from home last month also contributed to the run on toilet paper.
"The factories, the mills, run 24/7 already because demand is so predictable, there is no slack. So they just run all the time," he said. "Now, when that big surge happened in mid-March, and that was because all of a sudden now, we're starting to get into 'stay-at-home' orders and you're getting ... the entire country going, 'Oh, I need to stock up.'"
Luke went on to explain that there are two types of toilet paper: what people use in their homes and what's used by offices and other public places.
"The stuff you get for the home is what's called virgin fiber, meaning it's made from fiber that was made directly from wood pulp and highly processed to be comfortable," Luke said. "Stuff for commercial [use] will contain recycled paper. So it's got old office papers and all kinds of other fiber in it, not as well processed."
"So they can't do much with that," Anthony said. "Like, they can't shift that in the production from business to the home, because it's such a different product."
Source: Why stores ran out of toilet paper early in coronavirus pandemic
You could probably sum this up as panic buying in a just-in-time supply system.
There was a fear based on a combination of the early predictions of millions dead and dramatic Hollywood depictions of pandemics that society was going to collapse. So many would be dead that there would be nobody willing or able to distribute supplies. There is a large stigma about feces ie “human waste”. Feces does distribute disease and maybe more importantly it smells bad. Toilets do overflow when non toilet paper is used to wipe. In other words a “perfect storm” for people to fear not having that particular product.
Society has not collapsed. Other products that were impossible to buy because of panic buying are now becoming available. The combination of fear of not having that product, panic buying creating shortages that create panic buying, and people having used up their supply means that toilet paper is still nearly impossible to obtain.
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A World Health Organization official said Monday that she suspected human-to-human transmission of the novel coronavirus “right from the start,” beginning on Dec. 31, 2019.
But WHO officials echoed Chinese authorities and denied any suggestion of human-to-human transmission for weeks after Dec. 31. Chinese doctors, meanwhile, were reported to have known for weeks prior that the virus could be transmitted between humans.
“Right from the start, from the first notification we received on the 31st of December, given that this was a cluster of pneumonia — I’m a MERS specialist, so my background is in coronaviruses and influenza — so immediately thought, given that this is a respiratory pathogen, that of course there may be human-to-human transmission,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said in a press briefing Monday.
Despite Van Kerkhove’s apparent suspicions, the WHO repeated Chinese authorities’ downplaying the possibility that the virus could spread between people.
The WHO repeatedly stated in early and mid-January that Wuhan healthcare workers weren’t becoming infected with coronavirus — a key indicator of human-to-human transmission.
Yet Wuhan doctor Lu Xiaohong told China Youth Daily that by Christmas she had already heard of doctors becoming infected with the virus. The Wall Street Journal similarly reported that Chinese doctors were aware of human-to-human transmission of COVID-19 since late December, though Chinese authorities censored those who spoke out.
Additionally, a study by The Lancet found that by Jan. 2, only 27 of 41 laboratory-confirmed coronavirus patients had connections to the Huanan seafood market thought to have been the source of the outbreak.
But a Jan. 12 WHO press release said: “Based on the preliminary information from the Chinese investigation team, no evidence of significant human-to-human transmission and no health care worker infections have been reported.”
“At this stage, there is no infection among healthcare workers, and no clear evidence of human to human transmission,” it continued.
That press release came one day after, Li Wenliang, the Wuhan doctor who authorities punished for warning the public about the virus, came down with the virus.
“To date, there has been no suggestion of human to human transmission of this new coronavirus,” the WHO said in a Jan. 13 press release. “There have been no infections reported among health care workers, which can be an early indicator of person to person spread.”
“Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China,” the WHO tweeted Jan. 14.
“To date, China has not reported any cases of infection among healthcare workers or contacts of the cases. Based on the available information there is no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission,” read a WHO press release that same day.
Also on Jan. 14, Van Kerkhove acknowledged that “it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families,” but added: “it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission.”
By the time the WHO acknowledged evidence of human-to-human transmission, which they did on Jan. 22, the U.S. had already detected its first coronavirus case.
Source: WHO Official Says She Suspected Human-To-Human COVID-19 Transmission ‘Right From The Start’ — But The WHO Echoed Misleading Chinese Claims To The Contrary For Weeks
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Did you wonder why toilet paper was swept off store shelves in the early days of the coronavirus pandemic?
Jim Luke, an economics professor at Lansing Community College in Michigan and a strategist for a toilet paper distribution company, said, "We have this illusion as consumers that we go to the store and the shelves always are stocked. There's always stuff there," Luke told host Dave Anthony. "So we tend to think there's always backup; there's always a bunch there. We don't see that it's actually so highly tuned, there really is no backup in the channel."
"If you get just a small increase in that, the volume that people want to purchase at once, that really hits the store shelves pretty big," Luke went on. "We think the store shelves are always full, but they're not. They're just constantly being replenished, or they are in normal times. So if you just increase demand a little bit, all of a sudden that shelf looks a lot more empty.
"And that's what sends a message to people," Luke said. "It's like, 'Oh, my gosh, this, this is not normal.'"
Luke added that the surge in people working from home last month also contributed to the run on toilet paper.
"The factories, the mills, run 24/7 already because demand is so predictable, there is no slack. So they just run all the time," he said. "Now, when that big surge happened in mid-March, and that was because all of a sudden now, we're starting to get into 'stay-at-home' orders and you're getting ... the entire country going, 'Oh, I need to stock up.'"
Luke went on to explain that there are two types of toilet paper: what people use in their homes and what's used by offices and other public places.
"The stuff you get for the home is what's called virgin fiber, meaning it's made from fiber that was made directly from wood pulp and highly processed to be comfortable," Luke said. "Stuff for commercial [use] will contain recycled paper. So it's got old office papers and all kinds of other fiber in it, not as well processed."
"So they can't do much with that," Anthony said. "Like, they can't shift that in the production from business to the home, because it's such a different product."
Source: Why stores ran out of toilet paper early in coronavirus pandemic
You could probably sum this up as panic buying in a just-in-time supply system.
There was a fear based on a combination of the early predictions of millions dead and dramatic Hollywood depictions of pandemics that society was going to collapse. So many would be dead that there would be nobody willing or able to distribute supplies. There is a large stigma about feces ie “human waste”. Feces does distribute disease and maybe more importantly it smells bad. Toilets do overflow when non toilet paper is used to wipe. In other words a “perfect storm” for people to fear not having that particular product.
Society has not collapsed. Other products that were impossible to buy because of panic buying are now becoming available. The combination of fear of not having that product, panic buying creating shortages that create panic buying, and people having used up their supply means that toilet paper is still nearly impossible to obtain.
I think you have a point about Hollywood-like imagining of crises.
It might be older than Hollywood, though. Think of the Book of Revelation. Think of Ragnarok. Catastrophic images of end of the world move imaginations since ancient times.
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My daughter found some paracord and sent us 10 feet of it. It is called 1/16" elastic stretch bungee shock cord. It is a good substitute for 1/4" braided elastic use in the construction of cloth face masks. So yesterday my wife fabricated 40 mask and delivered them this morning to donate to hospitals/nursing homes.
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I knew a family when I was 11 in Canada who had miniature horses in and out of their home walking around freely... It was quite something! It made some sense though as theirs was a home near their own proper horse riding camp ..
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A Chinese laboratory at the center of new theories about how the coronavirus pandemic started was the subject of multiple urgent warnings inside the U.S. State Department two years ago, according to a new report.
U.S. Embassy officials warned in January 2018 about inadequate safety at the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab and passed on information about scientists conducting risky research on coronavirus from bats, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.
Those cables have renewed speculation inside the U.S. government about whether Wuhan-based labs were the source of the novel coronavirus, although no firm connection has been established. The theory, however, has gained traction in recent days.
The United Kingdom has said that the idea that the virus, which has turned into a full-blown global pandemic, was leaked from a Wuhan lab is "no longer being discounted."
A member of the U.K. government's emergency committee of senior officials claimed Sunday: "There is a credible alternative view (to the zoonotic theory) based on the nature of the virus. Perhaps it is no coincidence that there is a laboratory in Wuhan."
Foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang said in a recent opinion piece on Fox News that "many Chinese believe the virus either was deliberately released or accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a P4-level bio-safety facility."
He added: "This lab, known for studying coronaviruses, is not far from the market that had been initially identified as the source of the outbreak."
In a series of diplomatic cables labeled "Sensitive But Unclassified," U.S. Embassy officials warned that the lab had massive management weaknesses, posed severe health risks and warned Washington to get involved.
The first cable, which was obtained by the Post, also sent red flags about the lab's work on bat coronaviruses and more specifically how their potential human transmission represented the risk of a new SARS-like pandemic.
"During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," the Jan.19, 2018 cable, written by two officials from the embassy's environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists, said.
The cable argued that the United States should give Chinese researchers at the Wuhan lab more support because its research on bat coronaviruses was important and dangerous. The lab had already been receiving assistance from the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch.
The cable also called attention to Shi Zhengli, the head of the research project, who in November 2017 published a paper that showed the horseshoe bats collected from a case in Yunnan province were most likely from the same bat population that had been behind the first SARS coronavirus in 2003.
The cable states that "the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases. From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention."
Source: State Department leaked cables renew theories on origin of coronavirus
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U.S. Embassy officials warned in January 2018 about inadequate safety at the Wuhan Institute of Virology lab and passed on information about scientists conducting risky research on coronavirus from bats, The Washington Post reported Tuesday.

Those cables have renewed speculation inside the U.S. government about whether Wuhan-based labs were the source of the novel coronavirus, although no firm connection has been established. The theory, however, has gained traction in recent days.
The United Kingdom has said that the idea that the virus, which has turned into a full-blown global pandemic, was leaked from a Wuhan lab is "no longer being discounted."
A member of the U.K. government's emergency committee of senior officials claimed Sunday: "There is a credible alternative view (to the zoonotic theory) based on the nature of the virus. Perhaps it is no coincidence that there is a laboratory in Wuhan."
Foreign affairs expert Gordon Chang said in a recent opinion piece on Fox News that "many Chinese believe the virus either was deliberately released or accidentally escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a P4-level bio-safety facility."
He added: "This lab, known for studying coronaviruses, is not far from the market that had been initially identified as the source of the outbreak."
In a series of diplomatic cables labeled "Sensitive But Unclassified," U.S. Embassy officials warned that the lab had massive management weaknesses, posed severe health risks and warned Washington to get involved.
The first cable, which was obtained by the Post, also sent red flags about the lab's work on bat coronaviruses and more specifically how their potential human transmission represented the risk of a new SARS-like pandemic.
"During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," the Jan.19, 2018 cable, written by two officials from the embassy's environment, science and health sections who met with the WIV scientists, said.
The cable argued that the United States should give Chinese researchers at the Wuhan lab more support because its research on bat coronaviruses was important and dangerous. The lab had already been receiving assistance from the Galveston National Laboratory at the University of Texas Medical Branch.
The cable also called attention to Shi Zhengli, the head of the research project, who in November 2017 published a paper that showed the horseshoe bats collected from a case in Yunnan province were most likely from the same bat population that had been behind the first SARS coronavirus in 2003.
The cable states that "the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases. From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention."
Source: State Department leaked cables renew theories on origin of coronavirus
But numerous scientists have said that the virus is "zoogenic" (ie natural origin).
That is just a theory. China has restricted scientist from investigating the cause. The main problem is that this zoogenic origin theory is related to a specific type of bat called a horseshoe bats.

This type of bat is not located near Wuhan nor is this type of bat sold in the wet market. But it is used in both Chinese virology labs near Wuhan. One of these labs is almost adjacent to the wet market that is blamed for the initial infection.
This thread has been going on for a long time and there are several discussions scattered throughout that explore the possibility that the virus originated in the lab from experimentation on horseshoe bats and then was accidentally released to the general population. Since this virus is known for a high number of asymptomatic infections (people who show no symptoms), it is even possible that the initial spreader may have not even exhibited symptoms.
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Jack Keane, a retired four-star Army general, said on Tuesday that China “had their hands all over the spread” of the new coronavirus.
He also pointed out that China was “very deceptive about the actual spread of the epidemic.”
“They actually punished people,” Keane said. “They put it in writing that it wasn't human-to-human transmission. This is all going on in December and January."
"By the end of December we know they had 105 cases and 15 deaths and as late as mid-January the World Health Organization, after the director had gone to China, reported out that there were no human-to-human transmissions coming out of China,” Keane continued.
“Then on the 23 of January President Xi shuts down ground traffic and air traffic coming out of Hubei province, and Wuhan city is in that province, but guess what? He does not shut down international flights so hundreds of thousands of Chinese were still on the move,” Keane continued, explaining his reasoning for thinking that China “had their hands all over the spread" of COVID-19.
Source: Gen. Jack Keane: China 'had their hands all over the spread' of coronavirus
So if this coronavirus was so dangerous that China shut down all ground and air traffic coming out of Hubei to the rest of China, why did it not shut down International flights. Was this done on purpose to infect the entire world?
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Senator Cotton has been saying it was a lab escape.I was really hoping he was wrong.
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He also pointed out that China was “very deceptive about the actual spread of the epidemic.”
“They actually punished people,” Keane said. “They put it in writing that it wasn't human-to-human transmission. This is all going on in December and January."
"By the end of December we know they had 105 cases and 15 deaths and as late as mid-January the World Health Organization, after the director had gone to China, reported out that there were no human-to-human transmissions coming out of China,” Keane continued.
“Then on the 23 of January President Xi shuts down ground traffic and air traffic coming out of Hubei province, and Wuhan city is in that province, but guess what? He does not shut down international flights so hundreds of thousands of Chinese were still on the move,” Keane continued, explaining his reasoning for thinking that China “had their hands all over the spread" of COVID-19.
Source: Gen. Jack Keane: China 'had their hands all over the spread' of coronavirus
So if this coronavirus was so dangerous that China shut down all ground and air traffic coming out of Hubei to the rest of China, why did it not shut down International flights. Was this done on purpose to infect the entire world?
Some believe the General's thinking on this would be "unhinged".
Rahm Emanuel said: "You never let a good crisis go to waste." Even if the virus was zoogenic, it's most certainly possible that China blocked travel from the infection region to other regions of China but allowed free travel from China to the rest of the world to infect the rest of the world which would mean China effectively could have used the virus as a bioweapon, not letting the "crises go to waste".
He also pointed out that China was “very deceptive about the actual spread of the epidemic.”
“They actually punished people,” Keane said. “They put it in writing that it wasn't human-to-human transmission. This is all going on in December and January."
"By the end of December we know they had 105 cases and 15 deaths and as late as mid-January the World Health Organization, after the director had gone to China, reported out that there were no human-to-human transmissions coming out of China,” Keane continued.
“Then on the 23 of January President Xi shuts down ground traffic and air traffic coming out of Hubei province, and Wuhan city is in that province, but guess what? He does not shut down international flights so hundreds of thousands of Chinese were still on the move,” Keane continued, explaining his reasoning for thinking that China “had their hands all over the spread" of COVID-19.
Source: Gen. Jack Keane: China 'had their hands all over the spread' of coronavirus
So if this coronavirus was so dangerous that China shut down all ground and air traffic coming out of Hubei to the rest of China, why did it not shut down International flights. Was this done on purpose to infect the entire world?
Some believe the General's thinking on this would be "unhinged".
Rahm Emanuel said: "You never let a good crisis go to waste." Even if the virus was zoogenic, it's most certainly possible that China blocked travel from the infection region to other regions of China but allowed free travel from China to the rest of the world to infect the rest of the world which would mean China effectively could have used the virus as a bioweapon, not letting the "crises go to waste".
I have heard this elsewhere.
If true, one can't be faulted in coming to the conclusion it was a deliberate attack on the economy of the rest of the world.
Regardless of this,
The world needs to wake up to the machinations of the ccp.