Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed

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25 Mar 2019, 7:36 am

And if the turmoil in this country keeps up the way it is I won't be surprised if we end up with a second Civil War that will be 100x worse than the first one.

I'm sure Americans will be proud of that too. :roll:

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25 Mar 2019, 8:16 am

There’s lots of turmoil.

But there’s lots more stability than turmoil.

There won’t be a civil war. People couid vent on the Internet all they want...but when it comes down to it, the vast majority wouldn’t want their livelihood threatened by having to fight a war on their own soil.

In your personal life, how much of this violence do you see outside of protest demonstrations?

Do you see people arguing about race in your local supermarket? Or wearing MAGA hats? Usually, people who attend demonstrations have nothing better to do.

I live life. People just want to provide for their families. They don’t want to fight a real war. They just want to vent anonymously on the Internet should they have a beef.

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25 Mar 2019, 8:21 am

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Good point about me, I live a very cushy life. But what will I do when I'm exposed to political violence? It can happen. Never say it won't happen. That kind of thinking is dangerous.

And I will continue to call the north out on their BS everytime they put the south down for losing that war. That is my right as an Amuuurican ....for now. :mrgreen:

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25 Mar 2019, 8:34 am

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Since when is it right to erect monuments to the losing side of a war? The Confedercay is dead! Long live the Union!

You yankees won that stupid war over a century and a half ago and you guys constantly feel the need to rub it in our faces as if you want to push a second civil war to happen.

No, we constantly rub it in the faces of the suotherners because they all seem to want a re-match so they can restore the southern economy to its antebellum slave state.

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This is why I hate the USA. Americans are a bunch of narcissistic war-hungry f***s who love the idea of bullying and killing things, even their own countrymen.

There's the border ... you're free to go. No has put any shackles on YOU to keep you here, have they?

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25 Mar 2019, 8:38 am

I've always had a high regard for the South. I've met many Southern people, and have found very few of them to be as blatantly racist as some Northerners I have encountered.

There was quite a bit of racism in the mid 1970s in Boston----the white folks there didn't want black folks to be bused to their schools. It was constantly in the news. When I went to junior high, blacks and whites went to the same school---but they were segregated in real life; they were in different home room "groups." In my classes in 7th grade, I don't remember ever seeing a single black student.

The Civil Rights movement provided a boon for the South; it bought reasonable Southerners out of the "closet," so to speak.

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25 Mar 2019, 8:46 am

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TW1ZTY wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Since when is it right to erect monuments to the losing side of a war? The Confedercay is dead! Long live the Union!

You yankees won that stupid war over a century and a half ago and you guys constantly feel the need to rub it in our faces as if you want to push a second civil war to happen.

No, we constantly rub it in your faces because you all seem to want a re-match so you can restore the southern economy to its antebellum slave state.

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This is why I hate the USA. Americans are a bunch of narcissistic war-hungry f***s who love the idea of bullying and killing things, even their own countrymen.

There's the border ... you're free to go. No has put any shackles on YOUR legs, have they?

Boy do you misunderstand me Fnord! I have no love for slavery or the Antebellum south. I don't want to see us go back to that era. I just hate the north because you guys were f*****g WAR CRIMINALS! A bunch of f*****g sadistic rapists and pryomaniacs with a white savior complex! It's high time you yankee sons of b*****s took a look in the mirror and realized that you weren't any f*****g better than we were! You guys suck just like this entire f*****g country sucks! Oh and you as*holes are so goddamn racist too. Quit denying it! This whole f*****g country is racist!

And I would gladly leave this cesspool of a country IF I COULD! Why don't YOU send me some money to move out of this place? Since you think you're so f*****g smart! I'll gladly leave if you give me the money and a passport! Put your money where your mouth is!

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25 Mar 2019, 9:10 am

TW1ZTY wrote:

Fnord wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Since when is it right to erect monuments to the losing side of a war? The Confedercay is dead! Long live the Union!

You yankees won that stupid war over a century and a half ago and you guys constantly feel the need to rub it in our faces as if you want to push a second civil war to happen.

No, we constantly rub it in your faces because you all seem to want a re-match so you can restore the southern economy to its antebellum slave state.

TW1ZTY wrote:

This is why I hate the USA. Americans are a bunch of narcissistic war-hungry f***s who love the idea of bullying and killing things, even their own countrymen.

There's the border ... you're free to go. No has put any shackles on YOUR legs, have they?

The Union still won. Time to accept it.

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You guys suck just like this entire f*****g country sucks! Oh and you as*holes are so goddamn racist too. Quit denying it! This whole f*****g country is racist! And I would gladly leave this cesspool of a country IF I COULD! Why don't YOU send me some money to move out of this place? Since you think you're so f*****g smart! I'll gladly leave if you give me the money and a passport! Put your money where your mouth is!

People with no money at all have walked hundreds of mile to get into this country, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

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25 Mar 2019, 9:14 am

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TW1ZTY wrote:

Fnord wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Fnord wrote:

Since when is it right to erect monuments to the losing side of a war? The Confedercay is dead! Long live the Union!

You yankees won that stupid war over a century and a half ago and you guys constantly feel the need to rub it in our faces as if you want to push a second civil war to happen.

No, we constantly rub it in your faces because you all seem to want a re-match so you can restore the southern economy to its antebellum slave state.

TW1ZTY wrote:

This is why I hate the USA. Americans are a bunch of narcissistic war-hungry f***s who love the idea of bullying and killing things, even their own countrymen.

There's the border ... you're free to go. No has put any shackles on YOUR legs, have they?

The Union still won. Time to accept it.

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People with no money at all have walked hundreds of mile to get into this country, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

Yeah they won the way America wins every war
By being dirty sons of b*****s who get away with war crimes that any other country would be punished for. Just accept it and quit being a dick.

I'm done wasting my breath on an arrogant smartass thinks-he-knows-it-all like you. Have fun on top of your lonely little mountain.

Peace!

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25 Mar 2019, 9:20 am

After the Civil War General Sherman had a key role in the ethnic cleansing of Indians. This was done by killing off the native Buffalo.
Native Americans Have General Sherman to Thank for Their Exile to Reservations - History Channel

There is a monument and statue for him in Grand Army Plaza, the entrence to Central Park, NYC
William Tecumseh Sherman

There are also Sherman statues in Washington,DC and Muskougee Michican as well as a tree named after him in the Sequoias. The Sherman Tank was named for him.

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25 Mar 2019, 9:22 am

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My point exactly.

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25 Mar 2019, 9:33 am

So? Is there anyone forcing a take-down of ALL war memorials, or just the memorials of the LOSING side?

If you think that Sherman's statue should come down, then go for it. Then so should Lincoln's, Washington's, Jefferson's, Roosevelt's ... is every hero who has ever committed a crime (or enabled a crime) should be de-memorialized, then all of Mount Rushmore should be flattened to the ground.

Look up Lincoln's "Sultana" scandal.

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...history Detectives reviewed the known evidence, thoroughly disputing the sabotage theory, and then focused on the question of why the steamboat was allowed to be crowded to several times its normal capacity before departure. The report blamed quartermaster Hatch, an individual with a long history of corruption and incompetence, who was able to keep his job due to political connections: he was the younger brother of Illinois politician Ozias M. Hatch, an advisor and close friend of President Lincoln. Throughout the war, Reuben Hatch had shown incompetence as a quartermaster and competence as a thief, bilking the government out of thousands of dollars. Although brought up on courts-martial charges, Hatch managed to get letters of recommendation from such noted authorities as President Abraham Lincoln and General of the Army Ulysses S. Grant. The letters reside in the National Archives in Washington DC. After the disaster, Hatch refused three separate subpoenas to appear before Captain Speed's trial and give testimony. Hatch died in 1871, having escaped justice due to his numerous highly placed patrons -- including two presidents.

Lincoln dodged responsibility by virtue of being assassinated before a board of inquiry could be convened.

So, yes, take down his monuments and remove his image from every penny in the land. I'll watch.

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25 Mar 2019, 9:36 am

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25 Mar 2019, 10:50 am

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Right now there is a move to erase figures from history anybody whom might have been a “hater”. At the time of the Charleston terror attack there was talk of removing a General Grant statue in NYC over anti Semitism allegations.

That the Confederacy lost is an ancilliary issue to to the issues of what they were rebelling for.

My view is that one should look at the entirty of the person, the persons accomplishment, and the context as delved into in this thread

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25 Mar 2019, 11:26 am

Personally, I'd rather that history books would call out even our greatest historical figures as haters, slave-owners, womanizers, pedos, et cetera. Let the people decide how "great" these people really were.

Most of the framers of the Constitution were slave-owners. The phrase "... all men are created equal..." was meant literally. The Electoral College was installed as protection against popular opinion in presidential elections. Abraham Lincoln was an influence peddler who believed in cronyism and the exchange of political favors.

And so forth.

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25 Mar 2019, 11:29 am

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I could not agree more. Is Martin Luther to be condemned for his Anti-Semitism despite his far more important work as a momentous religious reformer? Is Gandhi's Anti-African racism supposed to erase all memory of liberating India through peaceful means? Historical figures must be accepted, warts and all, as that's what makes us all human.

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