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03 Jun 2020, 8:41 pm

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So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?



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03 Jun 2020, 8:44 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


I think Bric wants you to refer to knowing the racist murderer's thoughts instead of just understanding the context. Why would a man who's documented as a racist with a long history of complaints for using excessive force murder a complaint black citizen under arrest for a relatively minor crime? It's probably not because he was hyped up from the brawl they just went through since they didn't do that even though that's an excuse that's been used dozens of times in the past.


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03 Jun 2020, 8:48 pm

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Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


I think Bric wants you to refer to knowing the racist murderer's thoughts instead of just understanding the context. Why would a man who's documented as a racist with a long history of complaints for using excessive force murder a complaint black citizen under arrest for a relatively minor crime? It's probably not because he was hyped up from the brawl they just went through since they didn't do that even though that's an excuse that's been used dozens of times in the past.


I also think upgrading this to second degree murder means the courts infer intent. Second degree murder is generally defined as intentional murder that lacks premeditation, is intended to only cause bodily harm, and demonstrates an extreme indifference to human life.



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03 Jun 2020, 8:55 pm

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


Ah...Racial aspect of an interaction automatically means it HAS to have been a "racist" event.

Thank you for the "objective" clarification.

Although, thinking about this, do you have actual evidence that they would have acted otherwise had Mr Floyd not been "black", or that what followed would have occurred differently? I understand there's this pesky thing where guilt (in this case "racism") needs to be proven through evidence (rather than insinuation, or "suggestion") by those making the claim.



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03 Jun 2020, 9:04 pm

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I can't 100% say he set out to kill the man. It's obvious he wanted to do him harm, but did he want to kill him?


No rational person, in his position, would have wanted to kill George.
The policeman's life is pretty much destroyed now.
I'm sure he didn't want to do that to himself and his family.

The considerations:
Will "they" get a fair trial, in either direction, based on the facts?
Or will it be a "Political" verdict to send a social message?
Time will tell. 8)



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03 Jun 2020, 9:07 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


Ah...Racial aspect of an interaction automatically means it HAS to have been a "racist" event.

Thank you for the "objective" clarification.

Although, thinking about this, do you have actual evidence that they would have acted otherwise had Mr Floyd not been "black", or that what followed would have occurred differently? I understand there's this pesky thing where guilt (in this case "racism") needs to be proven through evidence (rather than insinuation, or "suggestion") by those making the claim.


A wise man once said:
"Life is simple,
For simple people." 8)



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03 Jun 2020, 9:15 pm

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Drake wrote:

I can't 100% say he set out to kill the man. It's obvious he wanted to do him harm, but did he want to kill him?


No rational person, in his position, would have wanted to kill George.
The policeman's life is pretty much destroyed now.
I'm sure he didn't want to do that to himself and his family.

The considerations:
Will "they" get a fair trial, in either direction, based on the facts?
Or will it be a "Political" verdict to send a social message?
Time will tell. 8)


If he didn't want to kill him he sure did a bad job of accomplishing it. What the hell would someone expect to be the outcome of cutting off the blood to a man's brain for 9 minutes? Oh, maybe he just wanted to leave him with catastrophic, life-altering brain damage?


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03 Jun 2020, 9:17 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


Ah...Racial aspect of an interaction automatically means it HAS to have been a "racist" event.

Thank you for the "objective" clarification.

Although, thinking about this, do you have actual evidence that they would have acted otherwise had Mr Floyd not been "black", or that what followed would have occurred differently? I understand there's this pesky thing where guilt (in this case "racism") needs to be proven through evidence (rather than insinuation, or "suggestion") by those making the claim.


This isn't a criminal court, he's entitled to evaluate the evidence he has access to and make his judgment based on that. Perhaps you'll accept nothing less than a full confession as evidence but your ability to pretend away hundreds of years of vicious racism doesn't make this not appear to be a racially motivated incident.


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03 Jun 2020, 9:18 pm

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Call me an idealist, but can we all just agree that everyone here thinks this murder was abhorrent, no one believes George Floyd was treated fairly, everyone sees that Chauvin was charged with murder, and everyone agrees that civil rights protesters have a right to protest against patterns of police brutality? I hope everyone here is on the same page. I've never read anyone on WP say that they are pro-cop-racism or pro-anyone-violence and murder.

I'm admittedly naive, I'm a pacifist, an egalitarian, and extremely liberal in my view of human rights and equality. You would be hard-pressed to find anyone more accepting of diversity than I am, but in keeping with that philosophy I am anti-violence and quite hard-assed anti-crime.

I don't understand why there appear to be divisions on WP, or why this is such a political issue among members who want to label each other in violent terms. I don't know anyone here who thinks cop racism or cop brutality is acceptable, or anyone who thinks that looters pillaging and murdering anyone in retaliation is OK. I would assume (wrongly???) that everyone else here feels the same way, supporting the right of people worldwide to protest in support of Black Lives Matter, while also wanting innocent lives to be saved.

Please correct me if I"m wrong.

Are we all on the same page or am I delusional?


I'd agree with the facts as presented.

The difference (as I see it) seems to stem from one group who seek to insert racist motives behind any interaction between people of different race (seemingly to stoke division, or possibly to lessen the effect of the term racism when used appropriately), and the other who are trying to explain the difference between an event with a racial aspect and true racism, so as not to lessen it's meaning when used appropriately.

Sadly, it seems (based on posts here) that any interaction between people of different races is now a racist event, with the "non-minority" party automatically guilty because of their race.

Unfortunately, not everyone seems willing to give objectivity a try.

One thing I haven't understood about the "racist" George Floyd event:
The standard procedure (from what I understand) is that the police would be "stood down" following any death in custody, until cause of death was determined.
Following this, they would either be charged (and probably fired at the same time) or returned to service.

In this case, the officers were fired (with one charged) BEFORE the cause of death was known, with other charges following once cause of death was known.

In none of this was there any evidence of actual racism shown (unless there is audio regarding racist terms being used?), with charges being laid much earlier than would normally occur...

So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


There is mention, on the media over here, of a caucasian man dying under pretty much the same circumstance.
The question is not whether the policeman(/men) was racist.
The question is: was George treated any worse than a white person in a similar situation.
My understanding is that the restraint method is part of their training(?)
I believe "Bouncers" do the same thing.
Could someone correct me, with evidence, if this isn't the case?



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03 Jun 2020, 9:19 pm

Yeah perfectly normal for a fully trained cop to put the full weight of his body onto his knee onto the neck of a man and leave his weight over the man's neck for a full and ignore the man's obvious cries of pain for 3 minutes that he can't breath :roll:



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03 Jun 2020, 9:22 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Drake wrote:

I can't 100% say he set out to kill the man. It's obvious he wanted to do him harm, but did he want to kill him?


No rational person, in his position, would have wanted to kill George.
The policeman's life is pretty much destroyed now.
I'm sure he didn't want to do that to himself and his family.

The considerations:
Will "they" get a fair trial, in either direction, based on the facts?
Or will it be a "Political" verdict to send a social message?
Time will tell. 8)


If he didn't want to kill him he sure did a bad job of accomplishing it. What the hell would someone expect to be the outcome of cutting off the blood to a man's brain for 9 minutes? Oh, maybe he just wanted to leave him with catastrophic, life-altering brain damage?


So you are saying the policeman, for 9 minutes, was thinking he wanted George dead,
And he would get away with it Scott-free with multiple witnesses and phone videos being made while he was killing him?
I see. 8)



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03 Jun 2020, 9:29 pm

Why are unamed people here defending Chauvin??



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03 Jun 2020, 9:30 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


I think Bric wants you to refer to knowing the racist murderer's thoughts instead of just understanding the context. Why would a man who's documented as a racist with a long history of complaints for using excessive force murder a complaint black citizen under arrest for a relatively minor crime? It's probably not because he was hyped up from the brawl they just went through since they didn't do that even though that's an excuse that's been used dozens of times in the past.


I wouldn't be surprised if the policeman *was* a racist.
There *is* a lot of that in the American police force, I believe.

But, once again, it is about the intent to kill.
And also, the consideration: Did he use undue force because his victim was Black?



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03 Jun 2020, 9:35 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


Ah...Racial aspect of an interaction automatically means it HAS to have been a "racist" event.

Thank you for the "objective" clarification.

Although, thinking about this, do you have actual evidence that they would have acted otherwise had Mr Floyd not been "black", or that what followed would have occurred differently? I understand there's this pesky thing where guilt (in this case "racism") needs to be proven through evidence (rather than insinuation, or "suggestion") by those making the claim.


This isn't a criminal court, he's entitled to evaluate the evidence he has access to and make his judgment based on that. Perhaps you'll accept nothing less than a full confession as evidence but your ability to pretend away hundreds of years of vicious racism doesn't make this not appear to be a racially motivated incident.


It works both ways.
It is "A Two-way Street". 8)



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03 Jun 2020, 9:36 pm

Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
So, can someone please indicate what was "racist" about the series of events, or how this was handled in a lesser manner than if Mr Floyd had not been of a different race to the officers?


white cop + compliant black man = dead black victim

What don't you understand?


I think Bric wants you to refer to knowing the racist murderer's thoughts instead of just understanding the context. Why would a man who's documented as a racist with a long history of complaints for using excessive force murder a complaint black citizen under arrest for a relatively minor crime? It's probably not because he was hyped up from the brawl they just went through since they didn't do that even though that's an excuse that's been used dozens of times in the past.


I wouldn't be surprised if the policeman *was* a racist.
There *is* a lot of that in the American police force, I believe.

But, once again, it is about the intent to kill.
And also, the consideration: Did he use undue force because his victim was Black?


Yes to both. Blacks will only know peace if we get rid of all the cops.


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