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25 Mar 2019, 3:49 pm

Here's how TW1ZTY would have attempted to win the American Civil War for the south AND abolished slavery.

First I would successfully lead a slave rebellion against the plantation owners killing every master but sparing the children.

After a successful rebellion I would offer the lower white sharecroppers a chance to join me and the freed slaves in a rebellion against the Union. If they join me and set aside their racial differences I promise to divide farmland amongst those who serve me well, and those who refuse will be made into "examples" by being beaten with whips and put to a public death by firing squad. After which their corpses and our enemy's corpses will be displayed as scarecrows out in the fields to give a little psychological warefare to the invading north.

I would also negotiate with the British Empire to form an alliance and aid us in the war. With slavery done away with we might stand a better chance of getting aid from the most powerful empire on earth at the time as the reason Britain did not aid us at the time was due to the sourh wanting to hold onto slavery.

I would also enlist the help of Native Americans by negotiating with them and giving the promise of land to be divided amongst their people to call their own. The more people I can convince to fight on my side, the better.

I would demonstrate to the south the amazing things we can accomplish with our own unity and how adding soldiers of color to our own army increases our chances of a successful victory. Those who serve me well will be rewarded well and those who defy me will be made into examples. And then we can work on conquering the west. Maybe the islands too.

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Seriously though, my feeling is that if not for slavery we might have actually stood a chance of winning that war. What a waste of potential allies...

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25 May 2019, 8:56 am

NAACP, Confederate heritage groups invited to talk fate of Salisbury Confederate monument

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After multiple acts of vandalism, the mayor of Salisbury wants to decide what to do with the city Confederate monument, "Fame," and she's bringing both sides to the table, WBTV reports.

The monument stands at the median of W. Innes Street and Church Street,

Mayor Al Heggins sent out the letter and invitation to the N.C. United Daughters of the Confederacy, Robert F. Hoke Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, Rowan Chapter of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans, Rowan Museum, Salisbury-Rowan Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, Salisbury Indivisible, Women for Community Justice and city officials.

The meeting comes as an attempt to preempt violence after multiple acts of vandalism amid tensions between people for and against the statue.

"Unfortunately, the Fame statue has been vandalized twice in the span of less than a year," the mayor wrote in the letter, obtained by WBTV. "Each time the statue is vandalized, it brings us closer to possibly experiencing a violent disruption to human relations in our City."

The mayor wants to bring the groups together with "open minds."

The meeting, scheduled for May 28 at city hall, will include no more than one representative from each organization to allow room for discussion and avoid any group becoming outnumbered.

It's unclear which groups, if any, have agreed to attend the meeting.

The confederate monument was previously defaced with a splash of paint on March 20 and Aug. 18.

The statue depicts a Confederate solider and an angelic figure.

Bill to give more protection to Texas Confederate monuments has died

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A bill that would have made it harder for Texas cities and counties to relocate decades-old historic and Confederate monuments died this week.

Senate Bill 1663 passed the Senate after hours of debate, but was never scheduled for a vote on the House floor. The legislation also would have blocked San Antonio from moving the Cenotaph in Alamo Plaza, meaning the state can likely move forward with plans to relocate the monument honoring Alamo defenders.

Houston renamed seven schools and a street, though two controversial Houston monuments still remain: the Spirit of the Confederacy statue in Sam Houston Park and a monument commemorating Dick Dowling in Hermann Park.

The Emotional Divide Over Martha's Vineyard's Confederate Monument

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I’ll bet that most residents in Massachusetts have looked on with distant interest as communities down South engaged in pitched battles about Confederate statues, those elaborate stone and concrete images carved as tributes to soldiers and leaders of the Confederate army. Lest we forget, these men waged a losing war against fellow Americans to protect their right to hold black human beings in bondage

I’ve often spoken about growing up in Memphis, where Confederate statues were in many parks — notably, the one honoring Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest, whose likeness was in a park also named after him. I was relieved to leave those statues behind when I moved to the Northeast. Except, it turns out, I didn’t.

I was startled to learn about the monument at Fort Warren on Georges Island, a concrete block listing the names of the Confederate prisoners who died there. It came to light in 2017, when the national debate about removing Confederate statues was raging. Stories described the Georges Island Confederate monument as the only one in Massachusetts. But it turns out, there is another located in Oak Bluffs, Martha’s Vineyard. As a regular summer visitor, I’ve passed by the 7-foot statue of a Northern soldier in the town square a million times, a tribute to the men who fought in the Union army. But until recently, I didn’t know there was a plaque on the back of it, honoring Confederate soldiers and another urging “conciliation.“

Charles Strahan, who fought for the Confederacy, raised money to pay for the statue and the plaques after he moved to Massachusetts in the 1800s. He wanted to foster reconciliation between former Union and Confederate soldiers, and some did meet in the state for a few years in the mid-1920s. But those friendly meetings of white soldiers ignored the central issue of the war: the fight to preserve slavery. Now, the Martha’s Vineyard NAACP is campaigning to remove the two Confederate plaques, even as some residents argue they should not be compared to other Confederate statues.

For the last year, the debate sparked discussions about race, history and island culture. But when the NAACP presented a resolution to remove the plaques, emotions ratcheted up. Longtime resident Gretchen Tucker Underwood, a member of the executive committee of the Martha’s Vineyard NAACP, posted a public Facebook message last month, part of which read, “I want to be just another Vineyarder ... a good neighbor, a voter, a stakeholder. ... But TODAY, I am the descendant of a slave ... asked to pay tribute in 'Honor' of those who fought and died in slavery’s defense.”

Meanwhile, the Confederate monument on Georges Island has been boarded up. And now there’s tension around Gov. Charlie Baker’s Memorial Day proclamation honoring both Union and Confederate soldiers, just in time for tomorrow night’s long-anticipated public forum when the Oak Bluffs selectmen will oversee discussion of the NAACP resolution. The words on one of the Oak Bluffs plaques reads, "The chasm is closed." But this emotional divide is ever wider.

Virginia judge rules Charlottesville confederate statues are war monuments protected by state law

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A Virginia judge has ruled that statues of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson in Charlottesville are war monuments that the city cannot remove without permission from the state.

In a nine-page ruling obtained from the University of Virginia School of Law website, Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said neither the intentions of the people who erected the statues nor how they make people feel change the fact that the statues pay homage to the Civil War. Moore cited state code in his ruling that says it is illegal for municipalities to remove such monuments to war.

"I find this conclusion inescapable," Moore said. "It is the very reason the statues have been complained about from the beginning. It does no good pretending they are something other than what they actually are."

Outstanding motions remain in the case, according to Charlottesville spokesman Brian Wheeler.
"The ruling resolves one major legal issue in the case, specifically it sets forth Judge Moore's opinion that the statues are war memorials," he said. The judge will decide whether the question of the statues' removal will go to trial in September, Wheeler said.

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25 May 2019, 8:12 pm

This one caught my eye
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/30/us/c ... index.html

The Virginia judge has arbitrarily made a value judgement about the good "intentions" of those who erected the statues as wanting to commemorate those who died in civil war to resurrect the legal right to keep the statues.

That's pretty dumb. If they really wanted to commemorate the dead wouldn't you erect a plaque with the names of those who died??

These southern states are run by people who must have deliberate amnesia about the Ku Kux klan. The statue of Robert E Lee was erected in 1924 when the Klan were at their peak in Charlottesville. The statue was commission and paid for a by a philanthropist Paul Goodloe McIntire who wanted a monument that would placate the Klan influenced locals. Apparently at the launch where they unvelied the statue the grandaughter of Robert E.:Lee draped the statue in confederate flags which were pulled off to reveal the General. All rather theatrical and designed to celebrate the man and his slave loving values rather than having anything to do with those who died.

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01 Jun 2019, 10:27 am

Georgia Governor signs bill to protect Confederate Monuments - Editorial

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"Our Confederate dead, whom power could not corrupt, whom death could not terrify, whom defeat could not dishonor.” “It is not in mortals to command success. But they did more, deserved it." – Newnan’s Confederate monument at the historic Coweta County Courthouse

With little fanfare, a monument bill to prevent local governments from moving them – unless it’s to site of “similar prominence,” excluding museums – has slipped through the Georgia Legislature on a party line vote and been signed by Gov. Brian Kemp.

Per Gov. Kemp: "This bill will make a lasting impact on countless Georgians." I agree.

I have no problem with protecting all monuments – art – from being damaged, another provision in the bill. But as a former GOP local elected official, I do have several other issues with what was done regarding moving them and what it says about our state.

Georgia joins the ignominious ranks of six other states which are intent on preserving the false “Lost Cause” narrative of the Civil War, romanticizing it as a “state’s rights” battle while ignoring the immense pain that it and the institution of slavery caused.

Of course, this bill doesn’t say anything about the War of Northern Aggression, the Glorious Confederacy, Rhett Butler or “Gone with the Wind.” But everyone on both sides of the issue knows why it was passed, to prevent more progressive cities from moving any of Georgia’s 174 Confederate monuments, period.

The bill’s author, Rep. Mullis, represents lily white Catoosa, Dade, Chattooga and Walker counties and has stated the bill’s intent to “preserve our history” and ensure that the monuments are not “unduly disrespected or hidden.” Yes, aggrieved Brothers and Sisters of the noble Confederacy, the old South will rise again.

Back in the world of reality, we have a politically split state that soon will be purple rather than red. Kemp was only elected by 50,000 votes, even after his extensive and controversial voter suppression efforts as secretary of state. All of Georgia’s major cities have large minority populations and went for the Democrats.

This GOP bill, pushed by rural legislators, tells Atlanta and Georgia’s other cities what not to do. A Democratic amendment providing for local control was defeated on a party line vote in a House committee.

Strange for a party that supposedly believes in local government power. How would these legislators feel if a future Democratic legislature passed a law requiring removal of all Confederate Monuments, removing local authority?

As one black legislator, Rep. Karen Bennet, stated, these monuments "continue to inflame and divide our state." It’s no accident that the Stone Mountain Monument was opened to the public on April 14, 1965…100 years after Lincoln was assassinated on April 14, 1865.

It’s little wonder that the KKK makes an annual pilgrimage to burn crosses there.

Why are we intent on glorifying traitors to our nation? Why are we trying to protect a clearly incorrect version of which side was right and wrong in that war? Where are accurate monuments to the slaves who built the Confederacy’s economy through their forced labor? Where are the monuments illustrating that black people were treated as cattle and their families broken up and destroyed for profit?

Gov. Kemp, you are correct that the bill will make a lasting impact. However, that impact is to declare to the nation and the world that our state is still controlled by politicians who care nothing about the pain that these monuments continue to cause our black citizens.

University Clarifies Flower Removal Policy for Confederate Monuments

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A Facebook group called “Make Ole Miss Great Again” alleged that flowers placed at the University of Mississippi’s Confederate statue for the past two months were removed by the landscaping department. The group also stated the removal of the flowers was decided by members of the UM administration, specifically Interim Chancellor Larry Sparks.

However, Rod Guajardo, associate director of strategic communications, told Hottytoddy.com Tuesday morning this claim was false.

“In recent days, flowers have been left by members of the public at the base of the Confederate monument on our campus. The university’s Landscape Services team is leaving the flowers in place for a period of time before moving them to the Confederate Cemetery on campus,” Guajardo said. “This approach enables the university staff to maintain our physical campus and normal operations.”

The controversy regarding the removal of the flowers initially began on April 24, when Andy McWilliams had flowers sent to the statue on campus.

Photos taken by Hottytoddy.com showed the note attached to the flowers read as “In memory of millions of people freed by the emancipation proclamation.”

However, McWilliams said the note originally read as “In memory of The University Greys from Son’s of the Confederate Veterans Camp,” and claimed someone must have replaced the note or written the new message on the other side.

Five days later on April 29, another vase of flowers was placed at the base of the Confederate statue located on the Oxford Historic Square.

According to statements made by members of the “Make Ole Miss Great Again” page, many decided to begin sending flowers to both statues and the Confederate Cemetery located south of the Tad Pad Coliseum.

However, it was George “K-Rack” Johnson, leader of Memphis based organization “Confederate 901” and the “Mississippi Stands Rally,” who began to organize a movement to place flowers at the statues and cemetery this past Memorial Day. Johnson came to campus on Monday to honor the Confederate soldiers who he said are considered United States veterans.

Many flowers that were placed at the base of the monument in the Confederate cemetery were also accompanied by notes that read, “In memory of fallen soldiers everywhere.”

“Friends of Louisville Public Art” addresses Castleman statue controversy

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There’s a new art organization in town, and they’re addressing controversy head-on. The Friends of Louisville Public Art, or FOLPA, has announced its formation May 30 following the repeated vandalism of the John B. Castleman statue located in Louisville’s Cherokee Triangle neighborhood.

The statue, erected in 1913, is interpreted by many Louisvillians as a Confederate monument and has been vandalized at least five times since 2017. The Louisville Metro Landmarks Commission voted on May 9 to remove the statue from Cherokee Triangle and relocate it to Castleman’s gravesite in Cave Hill Cemetery. This decision will become final unless it is appealed within 30 days.

Salisbury mayor hosts meeting to discuss ‘Fame,’ says public hearing is next

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Salisbury’s mayor held a closed meeting on Tuesday to discuss the Confederate monument in downtown Salisbury that has recently twice been the site of vandalism.
Mayor Al Heggins now says she wants to set a public meeting to get thoughts from residents about the statue.

The Tuesday morning meeting was held at city hall. Mayor Al Heggins invited various guests, including the NC United Daughters of the Confederacy, Robert F. Hoke Chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, Rowan Chapter of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans, Salisbury-Rowan Chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, Salisbury Indivisible, Women for Community Justice, Mayor Pro Tem Post, City Manager Lane Bailey, and the Rowan Museum’s Aaron Kepley to provide a historic context.

“There are many assumptions made by groups on both sides that are just not accurate, and it goes back to the way we remember events instead of how they actually happened," Kepley said.

The Confederate groups associated with the monument did not attend

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01 Jun 2019, 10:38 am

cyberdad wrote:

That's pretty dumb. If they really wanted to commemorate the dead wouldn't you erect a plaque with the names of those who died??

I'm 100% positive that the SJWs would get offended by that too seeing as how they think every white person in the south should be hated and blamed for all the evils in this country and that we should all just kill ourselves to make up for having slavery over a century and a half ago. :roll:

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01 Jun 2019, 7:42 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

That's pretty dumb. If they really wanted to commemorate the dead wouldn't you erect a plaque with the names of those who died??

I'm pretty sure many young men signed up for the confederate army because they thought it was their duty.

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19 Jun 2019, 1:53 am

‘They were racists’: Confederate monument in Nashville sprayed with blood-red graffit

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Blood-red liquid spattered the bronze figure of a Southern private, while letters scrawled across a list of hundreds of Civil War fighters declared, “They were racists.”

The vandalism was discovered Monday in Centennial Park, not far from Vanderbilt University. Police spokesman Don Aaron told The Washington Post that the incident was still under investigation and that authorities were reviewing surveillance video to identify a perpetrator.

Designed by Hungarian American sculptor George Julian Zolnay, who created other Confederate statues, including a monument to Jefferson Davis, the monument in Centennial Park was dedicated in 1909 in an extravagant ceremony. “Tears came into the eyes of Confederate veterans and Daughters of the Confederacy” as the “magnificent bronze monument to the Confederate private soldier” was unveiled, the Nashville American newspaper reported.

The Centennial Park statue is not the first to be doused with red substances in the past week. Charleston, S.C., police announced Sunday that they had arrested two people accused of throwing paint on the Confederate Defenders of Charleston monument.

Dallas law firm places winning bid for Robert E. Lee statue

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Texas — A Dallas-based law firm placed the winning $1.435 million bid for a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee that the city put in an online auction almost two years after removing it from a state park.

Holmes Firm PC made the top offer for the bronze sculpture, according to documents from the Dallas City Council. It was among several Lee monuments around the U.S. that were removed from public view amid the fallout over racial violence in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017.

The firm, owned by Ronald L. Holmes, has not said what it plans to do with the statue or whether it is representing someone else who wanted the artwork depicting Lee and another soldier on horses.

Holmes’ firm, which was identified in the auction as “LawDude,” did not immediately respond to requests for comment on Wednesday.

Lake County Forest Preserves chair calls for end to Civil War Days; resident says, 'This has nothing we want, nor should celebrate, nor re-enact'

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The 2019 edition of Civil War Days at Lakewood Forest Preserve might be the last one hosted by the Lake County Forest Preserves after the district’s president questioned the appropriateness of the annual commemoration that features Civil War images such as the Confederate flag Tuesday.
President Angelo Kyle said he attended the event in the past and would prefer to see the Forest Preserves focus on environmental issues such as climate change.
“There were a considerable number of Confederate flags and a number of other things I took into consideration,” Kyle said.
In 2015, the district staged Civil War Days shortly after South Carolina removed the battle flag from its state Capitol. At the time, forest preserves officials said Confederate flags were not being displayed inappropriately at the Lake County event and were used in a historical context.

Kyle, who is African American, said on Tuesday that history is written by the victors, and he believes there is only one side to the story being told at re-enactment events.

Our ancestors told us what really happened. Did you know that black soldiers were put on the front line in the North and Southern front lines so they would be killed first?” he asked fellow board members.
“There should be some consideration taken for that,” Kyle said, adding that he also feels some people are tired of the event.

“I think after 27 years, it has run its course,” he said.

Wayne Carle, who helps coordinate the re-enactors who participate in the event, asked for an explanation Tuesday after cancellation of the event was announced Monday via the forest preserves’ website. Many board members expressed that they did not hear about the cancellation until an hour before the Lake County Forest Preserves’ regular meeting.

Many board members were stunned, with former president of the forest preserves Ann Maine questioning Kyle’s authority to make the decision.

n the end, Kyle said that because of contracts and obligations for the event just five weeks away, maybe the district could host the 2019 event as a farewell.

“We’ll go forward with this one, because of the legal obligations we have. It’s definitely the last one,” Kyle said.

Rally calls on Gov. Northam to remove Lee statue from Monument Ave.

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More than two dozen people called on Gov. Ralph S. Northam to remove the statue of Confederate Robert E. Lee from Monument Avenue during a recent rally in Richmond.

The contingent, which included members of the Virginia Defenders for Freedom, Justice & Equality, held a protest June 1 to counter a band of about 25 neo-Confederates who staged their own rally in support of the Lee statue.

It was the sixth such rally organized around the Richmond statue by the Tennessee-based CSA II: The New Confederate States of America in the last two years.

The neo-Confederates and counterprotesters were separated by a lane of traffic and the presence of about 16 law enforcement officers from the Richmond Police Department and the Virginia Capitol Police, with both groups trying their best periodically to shout down the other.

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19 Jun 2019, 2:39 am

I laugh at the civil war renactments because they are never going to be realistic unless they tie up African American men to a ball and chain, force them to pick cotton in sweltering heat and whip them every so often while raping the African American women.

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19 Jun 2019, 7:31 am

I bet someday a second Civil War will happen and it'll be even more devestating than the first one.

The red dragon of the east will fight the blue dragon of the west. The passionate fighting the pacifists. Fire will rain from the sky as blood soaks the earth.

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20 Jun 2019, 1:26 am

I think there is a civil war happening in the US right now. Remember that more Americans voted for Hillary Clinton so the frustration is still there and simmering.

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20 Jun 2019, 3:26 am

It seems the first one have had extended lulls but never truly ended.

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20 Jun 2019, 3:28 am

the marching and protesting indicates an strong undercurrent of lingering resentment toward the election of Trump

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20 Jun 2019, 7:13 am

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the marching and protesting indicates an strong undercurrent of lingering resentment toward the election of Trump

All of the attacks on Hillary indicate a strong undercurrent of lingering resentment towered the election and reelection of Bill.

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20 Jun 2019, 8:36 am

Yes indeed, the tensions never really washed away and now the country is becoming polarized again.

I bet this time instead of it being a war between the north and south it will be a war between the east and west. Far left and far right. Red States and Blue States. After all California would love to succeed from the US.

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20 Jun 2019, 8:45 am

And just like the south failed, they will most likely fail too.

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20 Jun 2019, 8:47 am

There ain't gonna be no war!! !!

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