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18 Nov 2021, 1:13 am

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I do not buy that these guys who were either convicted or suspected of past felonies, are the types of guys who are out to protect the community.


Huber was definitely protecting his girlfriend
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/k ... index.html


Oh okay, but was his gf called as a witness in the trial, or did they take her deposition?


Other possible suits have been lodged by the girlfriend Rosenbaum, Huber and the Huber family and these are still pending (So if Rittenhouse manages to squirm out of this one he'll be back in court later). Attorneys for Huber’s family and Gaige Grosskreutz, 26, who was seriously injured in the shootings, filed notices of claim indicating they will sue the City of Kenosha and Kenosha County, alleging that law enforcement negligence contributed to the shootings.



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18 Nov 2021, 1:16 am

Oh okay, but if Huber was trying to save his gf, why wasn't she subpoenaed to testify at the trial? Wouldn't she have been a powerful witness for the prosecution to help ascertain Huber's motivations, and to also generate more sympathy for him for the prosecution?



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18 Nov 2021, 1:23 am

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Oh okay, but if Huber was trying to save his gf, why wasn't she subpoenaed to testify at the trial? Wouldn't she have been a powerful witness for the prosecution to help ascertain Huber's motivations, and to also generate more sympathy for him for the prosecution?


Equally relevant: Who\what was he trying to "save" her from, given no-one made any threatening moves in her direction\actions towards her, as far as I am aware...



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18 Nov 2021, 1:25 am

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Oh okay, but if Huber was trying to save his gf, why wasn't she subpoenaed to testify at the trial? Wouldn't she have been a powerful witness for the prosecution to help ascertain Huber's motivations, and to also generate more sympathy for him for the prosecution?


Equally relevant: Who\what was he trying to "save" her from, given no-one made any threatening moves in her direction\actions towards her, as far as I am aware...


Well did the gf say that Huber was trying to protect her or who said this? And if she said this, did she say this in court, or where did she say it?



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18 Nov 2021, 1:33 am

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Oh okay, but if Huber was trying to save his gf, why wasn't she subpoenaed to testify at the trial? Wouldn't she have been a powerful witness for the prosecution to help ascertain Huber's motivations, and to also generate more sympathy for him for the prosecution?


Equally relevant: Who\what was he trying to "save" her from, given no-one made any threatening moves in her direction\actions towards her, as far as I am aware...


Personally speaking, I would "body shield" my GF and hurry her to safety.
That's the sort of guy skunk I am. 8)



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18 Nov 2021, 1:35 am

I would body shield my gf as well. However, if the prosecution wanted to sell the story that Huber was protecting his gf, then why didn't they call her to the stand to make a star witness out of this?



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18 Nov 2021, 1:57 am

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I would body shield my gf as well. However, if the prosecution wanted to sell the story that Huber was protecting his gf, then why didn't they call her to the stand to make a star witness out of this?


There's certainly a big difference between "body shielding" (which is a defensive\passive act) and setting out to attack a person who you "think" might attack you\someone else (which is an offensive\aggressive act).



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18 Nov 2021, 2:03 am

Going back to the withheld (higher resolution) video, and the difference it makes:
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18 Nov 2021, 2:14 am

That's a good point. Why didn't they call Huber's gf to the stand though? The prosecution wants to sell the idea that these guys are good Samaritans protecting the people, yet they only "good Samaritan victims" they were able to produce are a child sex offender, a domestic violence felon, and a suspect of robberies, and one of the has a gf who claims she was being protected, but they were not even willing to call to her to testify to it. So they did a very lousy job of selling the good Samaritan motivation in my opinion.



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18 Nov 2021, 2:41 am

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That's a good point. Why didn't they call Huber's gf to the stand though? The prosecution wants to sell the idea that these guys are good Samaritans protecting the people, yet they only "good Samaritan victims" they were able to produce are a child sex offender, a domestic violence felon, and a suspect of robberies, and one of the has a gf who claims she was being protected, but they were not even willing to call to her to testify to it. So they did a very lousy job of selling the good Samaritan motivation in my opinion.


I think we can agree the prosecution didn't do as a good a job as expected. Take what we get.



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18 Nov 2021, 2:43 am

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Why didn't they call Huber's gf to the stand though?

Huber's girl friend cannot testify to what Huber was thinking, that's called hearsay.


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18 Nov 2021, 2:46 am

But if she cannot testify to it, than how can people say that Huber was defending his gf, if not even she can confirm it, without it being hearsay? If her testimony is hearsay, then how is the whole theory of protecting his gf not hearsay? The prosecution cannot state what Huber's motivation was, even the idea of even calling his gf to confirm would be hearsay.



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18 Nov 2021, 2:57 am

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But if she cannot testify to it, than how can people say that Huber was defending his gf, if not even she can confirm it, without it being hearsay? If her testimony is hearsay, then how is the whole theory of protecting his gf not hearsay? The prosecution cannot state what Huber's motivation was, even the idea of even calling his gf to confirm would be hearsay.

Grosskreutz testified that the crowd was chasing an active shooter.

So, the prosecutor used that testimony to make a theory that Huber was also.


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18 Nov 2021, 3:00 am

I see. But theory does not hold water if they are not even going to call the gf to testify to it. Even if it's hearsay, that only proves that it does not hold water even further. If you can't rely on her, who can you rely on, to testify to Huber's intentions.



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18 Nov 2021, 3:28 am

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The right wing press did the same to Mr Nathan Phillips (a native American elder who was bullied and racially vilified by group of white students from Covington Catholic college). They spent an inordinate amount of time digging dirt on Phillips in order to discedit him, dragging his past which had nothing to do with the behaviour of Covington teens,


Jesus you're stubborn, you're aware that entire incident is all on video too, proving you to either be blind or deluded, right? That Nick Sandmann, the teen at the center of that controversy, was able to sue for damages and actually get paid over the media malpractice in that case, something that is incredibly difficult under US law? For someone who seems so concerned about partisan media spreading bad information, you sure do a lot of it yourself.


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18 Nov 2021, 4:57 am

ironpony wrote:
I see. But theory does not hold water if they are not even going to call the gf to testify to it. Even if it's hearsay, that only proves that it does not hold water even further. If you can't rely on her, who can you rely on, to testify to Huber's intentions.

No one can testify to Huber's intentions, unless he told someone of his intentions.

However, theories can be formed.

Someone in the crowd was saying "get him, get him".

Likely, Huber jumped in, and tried to get him.


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