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18 Nov 2021, 5:11 am

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That's true, he had a skateboard and could have skated to the police first. Why did he choose not to go the police first and try to take on a suspected active shooter by himself...


It was thought that a number of the passengers on pne of the planes that crashed into the NT Twin towers on 9-11-2001 rushed the terrorists despite knowing they would not survive. It's called heroism.

I can't speak for the mental state of Rosenbaum but Huber and Grosskreutz sincerely believed they were saving lives by disarming killer Kyle and putting their bodies on the line. Mr Huber was protecting his girlfriend from crazy Kyle.

I believe the families of both men should litigate agains the right wing press and some MAGA politicians who have insinuated that both men were somehow evil, mentally unstable or dredging their past in order to find dirt on them.

The right wing press did the same to Mr Nathan Phillips (a native American elder who was bullied and racially vilified by group of white students from Covington Catholic college). They spent an inordinate amount of time digging dirt on Phillips in order to discedit him, dragging his past which had nothing to do with the behaviour of Covington teens,


so a guy swinging a skateboard at someone's head is now a hero trying to protect everyone from crazy kyle?
lol
and the indian banging the drum in the kids face was vilified?
lol

wow



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18 Nov 2021, 5:13 am

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↑ WHOA!!

Would you be willing to represent me in my next court case?

You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!

With FACTS no less!

:D


Hardly. Broctoria cited legal precedence in Brady v. Maryland and provided links to back up his claim. Uncommondenominator only posted anecdotal evidence to refute it.



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18 Nov 2021, 5:43 am

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↑ WHOA!!

Would you be willing to represent me in my next court case?

You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!

With FACTS no less!

:D


Hardly. Broctoria cited legal precedence in Brady v. Maryland and provided links to back up his claim. Uncommondenominator only posted anecdotal evidence to refute it.


Huzzah! :mrgreen:



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18 Nov 2021, 5:54 am

pency wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
ironpony wrote:
That's true, he had a skateboard and could have skated to the police first. Why did he choose not to go the police first and try to take on a suspected active shooter by himself...


It was thought that a number of the passengers on pne of the planes that crashed into the NT Twin towers on 9-11-2001 rushed the terrorists despite knowing they would not survive. It's called heroism.

I can't speak for the mental state of Rosenbaum but Huber and Grosskreutz sincerely believed they were saving lives by disarming killer Kyle and putting their bodies on the line. Mr Huber was protecting his girlfriend from crazy Kyle.

I believe the families of both men should litigate agains the right wing press and some MAGA politicians who have insinuated that both men were somehow evil, mentally unstable or dredging their past in order to find dirt on them.

The right wing press did the same to Mr Nathan Phillips (a native American elder who was bullied and racially vilified by group of white students from Covington Catholic college). They spent an inordinate amount of time digging dirt on Phillips in order to discedit him, dragging his past which had nothing to do with the behaviour of Covington teens,


so a guy swinging a skateboard at someone's head is now a hero trying to protect everyone from crazy kyle?
lol
and the indian banging the drum in the kids face was vilified?
lol

wow


I know.
"Curious", is it not? :scratch:

Clearly, cyberdad was in error about the Nick Sandmann incident.
He was probably sleeping when the Truth came to the fore. :mrgreen:

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18 Nov 2021, 6:58 am

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You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!

With FACTS no less!

Evidence, please?



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18 Nov 2021, 9:47 am

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You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!  With FACTS no less!
Evidence, please?
 Obvious Evidence Is Obvious 



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18 Nov 2021, 11:02 am

Claim: Kyle Rittenhouse's mother "drove him across state lines and dropped him off in the middle of a riot armed with an assault rifle" in Kenosha. FALSE

Truth: Rittenhouse went to the protests with a Wisconsin friend who had purchased the AR-15 for him.  There is no evidence that Wendy Rittenhouse drove her son to Kenosha, and no evidence that her son was armed when he left for Kenosha from their home in Antioch.

(NOTE: Rittenhouse also testified under oath he drove himself to Kenosha, thus committing perjury and facing further charges.   LINK )

Claim: 500 National Guardsmen being called to Kenosha ahead of the Rittenhouse verdict.  Had they done this in the first place, there would not have been a trial. FALSE

Truth: On the order of Gov. Tony Evers, the National Guard arrived in Kenosha on the day before Rittenhouse shootings.

Claim: A video shows Rittenhouse "was trying to get away from them ... fell, and then they violently attacked him." The statement was made by Trump, so of course it is FALSE.

Truth: Rittenhouse tripped and fell as a group of people pursued him.  But Trump's claim left out vital context: that Rittenhouse ran away from protesters after, according to prosecutors, he had already shot and killed someone.

Claim: At 17 years old Kyle (Rittenhouse) was perfectly legal to be able to possess that rifle without parental supervision. FALSE

Truth: On November 15, 2021, the day before the jury began deliberations, the judge in the trial dismissed a misdemeanor charge of possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18 against Rittenhouse.  The claim was made two days after the shooting.

Whether Rittenhouse violated the law by possessing a firearm underage was the subject of ongoing litigation at the time, it was not "perfectly legal"."

Wisconsin law stipulates that "any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor," with exceptions aimed at allowing children age 16 or 17 to use long guns to hunt.

At a pretrial hearing in October, the judge said the law was murky, but he refused to dismiss the charge at that time. In dismissing it, he said: "I think it ought to have been mighty clear that I had big problems with this statute."



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18 Nov 2021, 2:33 pm

Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!  With FACTS no less!
Evidence, please?
 Obvious Evidence Is Obvious 



I use tautology, also.
Fun, ain't it. :mrgreen:



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18 Nov 2021, 2:46 pm

Judge bans MSNBC from Rittenhouse trial

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The judge presiding over Kyle Rittenhouse's murder trial in Kenosha, Wis., has barred journalists working for MSNBC from the courthouse after an incident during which a freelance producer for the network allegedly followed the jury bus on Wednesday evening in an attempt to take pictures of jurors.

"I have instructed that nobody from MSNBC News be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial," Judge Bruce Schroeder said in the courtroom on Thursday afternoon. "This is a very serious matter and I don't know what the ultimate truth of it is, but absolutely it would go without much thinking that someone who is following a jury bus, that is a very ... that is an extremely serious matter and will be referred to the proper authorities for further action."

The Kenosha News reported on Wednesday night that a producer for MSNBC, whom the network has identified as a freelancer, was arrested after he allegedly tried to take photos of jurors.

Police said no photos of any jurors were actually taken, the newspaper reported, but the individual was taken in for violating a traffic control signal. The producer reportedly told officers he had followed the jury bus at the direction of his boss in New York City, where NBCUniversal's headquarters are located.

Schroeder has made headlines during the trial for several controversial statements about the jury pool, the prosecution and the news media's coverage of the case.


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18 Nov 2021, 2:50 pm

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Judge bans MSNBC from Rittenhouse trial
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The judge presiding over Kyle Rittenhouse's murder trial in Kenosha, Wis., has barred journalists working for MSNBC from the courthouse after an incident during which a freelance producer for the network allegedly followed the jury bus on Wednesday evening in an attempt to take pictures of jurors.

"I have instructed that nobody from MSNBC News be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial," Judge Bruce Schroeder said in the courtroom on Thursday afternoon. "This is a very serious matter and I don't know what the ultimate truth of it is, but absolutely it would go without much thinking that someone who is following a jury bus, that is a very ... that is an extremely serious matter and will be referred to the proper authorities for further action."

The Kenosha News reported on Wednesday night that a producer for MSNBC, whom the network has identified as a freelancer, was arrested after he allegedly tried to take photos of jurors.

Police said no photos of any jurors were actually taken, the newspaper reported, but the individual was taken in for violating a traffic control signal. The producer reportedly told officers he had followed the jury bus at the direction of his boss in New York City, where NBCUniversal's headquarters are located.

Schroeder has made headlines during the trial for several controversial statements about the jury pool, the prosecution and the news media's coverage of the case.


I really think the judge should declare a mistrial at this point, I really do not understand why he hasn't already before. Is he just being suckered by the media, or what...



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18 Nov 2021, 3:10 pm

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I really think the judge should declare a mistrial at this point, I really do not understand why he hasn't already before. Is he just being suckered by the media, or what...

That would seem to be very unfair to Rittenhouse.

As Rittenhouse could be acquitted of all charges.

If the judge declares a mistrial, then Rittenhouse may have to do this all over again.

It would seem fairer to wait until after the verdict before deciding on a mistrial.


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18 Nov 2021, 3:15 pm

But I don't think Rittenhouse is getting a fair trial, here, so I thought it was better to declare a mistrial so he can get a more fair and even one.

But is a judge allowed to declare a mistrial, after the verdict is in though? Wouldn't that come off as the judge having a bias then, if he waits until after seeing the verdict?



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18 Nov 2021, 3:22 pm

ironpony wrote:
But I don't think Rittenhouse is getting a fair trial, here, so I thought it was better to declare a mistrial so he can get a more fair and even one.

But is a judge allowed to declare a mistrial, after the verdict is in though? Wouldn't that come off as the judge having a bias then, if he waits until after seeing the verdict?

What if Rittenhouse doesn't have another half of a million dollars to spend and has to hire less competent lawyers and technical experts, or maybe cannot even afford technical experts?

This trial may be the fairest trial he can afford.

Kyle Rittenhouse's defense fund has raised close to half a million dollars in the run-up to his November trial
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/kyle-rit ... 55588.html

Yes, the judge can decide on a mistrial after the verdict.


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18 Nov 2021, 3:25 pm

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Judge bans MSNBC from Rittenhouse trial
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The judge presiding over Kyle Rittenhouse's murder trial in Kenosha, Wis., has barred journalists working for MSNBC from the courthouse after an incident during which a freelance producer for the network allegedly followed the jury bus on Wednesday evening in an attempt to take pictures of jurors.

"I have instructed that nobody from MSNBC News be permitted in this building for the duration of this trial," Judge Bruce Schroeder said in the courtroom on Thursday afternoon. "This is a very serious matter and I don't know what the ultimate truth of it is, but absolutely it would go without much thinking that someone who is following a jury bus, that is a very ... that is an extremely serious matter and will be referred to the proper authorities for further action."

The Kenosha News reported on Wednesday night that a producer for MSNBC, whom the network has identified as a freelancer, was arrested after he allegedly tried to take photos of jurors.

Police said no photos of any jurors were actually taken, the newspaper reported, but the individual was taken in for violating a traffic control signal. The producer reportedly told officers he had followed the jury bus at the direction of his boss in New York City, where NBCUniversal's headquarters are located.

Schroeder has made headlines during the trial for several controversial statements about the jury pool, the prosecution and the news media's coverage of the case.


Good. 8)



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18 Nov 2021, 3:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!  With FACTS no less!
Evidence, please?
 Obvious Evidence Is Obvious 


Obviously anecdotal evidence is useless. But it can be mighty appealing to confirmation bias.



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18 Nov 2021, 3:33 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
You just tore him a new rectum through which you could fly a 747!  With FACTS no less!
Evidence, please?
 Obvious Evidence Is Obvious 


Obviously anecdotal evidence is useless. But it can be mighty appealing to confirmation bias.


Huzzah! :mrgreen: