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23 Dec 2012, 1:11 pm

I'm chiming in here late, so I hope no one already made this point. Regardless, here goes:
A country like Japan has even more violent video games and entertainment than we Americans have, and yet, they have virtually no gun violence. And that's because Japanese have little access to firearms. The simple fact of the matter is, it's not violent video games and movies that has led to massacres like at Sandy Hill, but the availability of guns.

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23 Dec 2012, 1:14 pm

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There are some hints of a growing self-awareness creeping into the gaming community. One gamer - Antwand Pearman, editor of the website GamerFitNation - has called for other players to join in a "Day of Cease-Fire for Online Shooters" this Friday, one week after the massacre.

Aww, now we're not shooting people in Black Ops on friday, what do we do? :(

Oh, we can always play Skyrim and behead some bandits with a sword :twisted:


Why do you enjoy killing in games?


Hate to break it to ya, but the majority of games in the gaming industry have violence.


No, the majority of video games produced world wide are not violent. Perhaps the majority of the ones you enjoy are.

Why do you enjoy violence?


Well, there is a difference between real life violence and video game violence. I know how to seperate fantasy from reality. I listen to a band called Hollywood Undead and sing about hoe's and drinking, but that doesn't mean I'm going to dress like a hoe (I'm too MallGoth for that) and have my boyfriend start poppin' 40oz (I can't believe I just said poppin'). Same with video games. When I play Call of Duty I'm gonna try and to get as many kills as possible that does not mean I'm going to shoot innocent children. I actually love kids.


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23 Dec 2012, 1:18 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:
trollcatman wrote:
There are some hints of a growing self-awareness creeping into the gaming community. One gamer - Antwand Pearman, editor of the website GamerFitNation - has called for other players to join in a "Day of Cease-Fire for Online Shooters" this Friday, one week after the massacre.

Aww, now we're not shooting people in Black Ops on friday, what do we do? :(

Oh, we can always play Skyrim and behead some bandits with a sword :twisted:


Why do you enjoy killing in games?


Hate to break it to ya, but the majority of games in the gaming industry have violence.


No, the majority of video games produced world wide are not violent. Perhaps the majority of the ones you enjoy are.

Why do you enjoy violence?


Well, there is a difference between real life violence and video game violence. I know how to seperate fantasy from reality. I listen to a band called Hollywood Undead and sing about hoe's and drinking, but that doesn't mean I'm going to dress like a hoe (I'm too MallGoth for that) and have my boyfriend start poppin' 40oz (I can't believe I just said poppin'). Same with video games. When I play Call of Duty I'm gonna try and to get as many kills as possible that does not mean I'm going to shoot innocent children. I actually love kids.


Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?



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23 Dec 2012, 1:20 pm

shrox wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:
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There are some hints of a growing self-awareness creeping into the gaming community. One gamer - Antwand Pearman, editor of the website GamerFitNation - has called for other players to join in a "Day of Cease-Fire for Online Shooters" this Friday, one week after the massacre.

Aww, now we're not shooting people in Black Ops on friday, what do we do? :(

Oh, we can always play Skyrim and behead some bandits with a sword :twisted:


Why do you enjoy killing in games?


Hate to break it to ya, but the majority of games in the gaming industry have violence.


No, the majority of video games produced world wide are not violent. Perhaps the majority of the ones you enjoy are.

Why do you enjoy violence?


Well, there is a difference between real life violence and video game violence. I know how to seperate fantasy from reality. I listen to a band called Hollywood Undead and sing about hoe's and drinking, but that doesn't mean I'm going to dress like a hoe (I'm too MallGoth for that) and have my boyfriend start poppin' 40oz (I can't believe I just said poppin'). Same with video games. When I play Call of Duty I'm gonna try and to get as many kills as possible that does not mean I'm going to shoot innocent children. I actually love kids.


Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?


Because I'm the just like the rest of the gamers in society. My dad brought me up to play a variety of video games and how to seperate games from real life.


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23 Dec 2012, 1:21 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:

Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?


Because I'm the just like the rest of the gamers in society. My dad brought me up to play a variety of video games and how to seperate games from real life.


So your answer is "I do because they do."



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23 Dec 2012, 1:23 pm

shrox wrote:
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shrox wrote:

Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?


Because I'm the just like the rest of the gamers in society. My dad brought me up to play a variety of video games and how to seperate games from real life.


So your answer is "I do because they do."


I don't see what is so wrong with enjoying video games...its not like one has to have some in depth reason why they like to because there is nothing wrong with it in the first place.


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23 Dec 2012, 1:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
shrox wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:

Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?


Because I'm the just like the rest of the gamers in society. My dad brought me up to play a variety of video games and how to seperate games from real life.


So your answer is "I do because they do."


I don't see what is so wrong with enjoying video games...its not like one has to have some in depth reason why they like to because there is nothing wrong with it in the first place.


I am asking a simple question.

Why do you enjoy pretend killing?

For example, I enjoy flying radio control planes because I imagine myself in the plane.



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23 Dec 2012, 1:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
shrox wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
shrox wrote:

Why do you enjoy committing pretend killing?


Because I'm the just like the rest of the gamers in society. My dad brought me up to play a variety of video games and how to seperate games from real life.


So your answer is "I do because they do."


I don't see what is so wrong with enjoying video games...its not like one has to have some in depth reason why they like to because there is nothing wrong with it in the first place.


I'm thoroughly enjoying the bagels I'm eating and after I eat my bagels I'm going to thoroughly enjoy a few rounds of kill all bots in Twisted Metal.


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23 Dec 2012, 1:41 pm

shrox wrote:

I am asking a simple question.

Why do you enjoy pretend killing?

For example, I enjoy flying radio control planes because I imagine myself in the plane.


Well in my case It really depends on the game, and its not that I particularly like killing but if its part of the game and I enjoy the game it does not bother me...especially since its not real, just a game. I would likely have a hard time killing anyone in real life even if it was in self defense. I don't even play any video games too often but when I do I like complex games with a lot of action I don't know exactly why its just what I prefer. Kind of like I would rather watch something like Fight Club or Enemy at The Gates than a romantic comedy.


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23 Dec 2012, 1:52 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
shrox wrote:

I am asking a simple question.

Why do you enjoy pretend killing?

For example, I enjoy flying radio control planes because I imagine myself in the plane.


Well in my case It really depends on the game, and its not that I particularly like killing but if its part of the game and I enjoy the game it does not bother me...especially since its not real, just a game. I would likely have a hard time killing anyone in real life even if it was in self defense. I don't even play any video games too often but when I do I like complex games with a lot of action I don't know exactly why its just what I prefer. Kind of like I would rather watch something like Fight Club or Enemy at The Gates than a romantic comedy.


Thanks for your thought out answer.

I don't think I could ever get it out of my mind if I killed someone. It's bad enough knowing there are people that die of starvation while other people throw away food.



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23 Dec 2012, 3:24 pm

xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
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Well I've had enough of this, it's obvious games don't influence people, so I'm going to put on a red jumper and blue dungarees and go save a Princess..... :lol:


Now that you mention it I'm going to go to Saffron City and fight of Team Rocket with my partner Pokemon.


Isn't it odd that a person with the siggie "Embrace your X-Men tendencies" claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?


CyborgUprising-remember when you were talking about music influencing violence? There's this band called Blood on the Dancefloor about bullying and the music video shows the kid in the video commiting a school shooting.

If anything, I would think that a like that music video would influence violence in schools rather than KMFDM or Ramnstein.


I never said music does influence violence, I merely pointed out how some people actually believe this sort of nonsense, knowing it has been disproven time and time again. When the Columbine incident occurred, the Newsbots instantly began jumping to radical conclusions about how listening to (industrial) music, being "goth" (a point that was later disproven) and playing violent games caused violent behavior.



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23 Dec 2012, 3:28 pm

shrox wrote:
CyborgUprising wrote:
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Well I've had enough of this, it's obvious games don't influence people, so I'm going to put on a red jumper and blue dungarees and go save a Princess..... :lol:


Now that you mention it I'm going to go to Saffron City and fight of Team Rocket with my partner Pokemon.


Isn't it odd that a person with the siggie "Embrace your X-Men tendencies" claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?



"claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?"

Where did I say this?

I said media influences people. That's all. Do try to pay attention....


You posted in response to the comment about dressing up like Mario, an article about a person dressed as Mario at a convention (where gamers and comic book geeks assemble) was groping people (and thus creating an indirect (as I mentioned) link between comic/game conventions and violent or otherwise inappropriate behavior).



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23 Dec 2012, 3:39 pm

CyborgUprising wrote:
shrox wrote:
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xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
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Well I've had enough of this, it's obvious games don't influence people, so I'm going to put on a red jumper and blue dungarees and go save a Princess..... :lol:


Now that you mention it I'm going to go to Saffron City and fight of Team Rocket with my partner Pokemon.


Isn't it odd that a person with the siggie "Embrace your X-Men tendencies" claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?



"claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?"

Where did I say this?

I said media influences people. That's all. Do try to pay attention....


You posted in response to the comment about dressing up like Mario, an article about a person dressed as Mario at a convention (where gamers and comic book geeks assemble) was groping people (and thus creating an indirect (as I mentioned) link between comic/game conventions and violent or otherwise inappropriate behavior).


He didn't dress up like his dad, or someone he personally knew...he dressed like a media character. Mario is on TV and in movies too...



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23 Dec 2012, 3:47 pm

shrox wrote:
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There are some hints of a growing self-awareness creeping into the gaming community. One gamer - Antwand Pearman, editor of the website GamerFitNation - has called for other players to join in a "Day of Cease-Fire for Online Shooters" this Friday, one week after the massacre.

Aww, now we're not shooting people in Black Ops on friday, what do we do? :(

Oh, we can always play Skyrim and behead some bandits with a sword :twisted:


Why do you enjoy killing in games?


I was just mocking that cease-fire comment for online shooters, that is pretty self-defeating. I don't even have Black Ops or any COD games.

And why do people enjoy killing in games? Probably because they can't do it in real life. Just like casting magic spells or defeating dragons.



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23 Dec 2012, 3:59 pm

CyborgUprising wrote:
shrox wrote:
CyborgUprising wrote:
xxZeromancerlovexx wrote:
IDontGetIt wrote:
Well I've had enough of this, it's obvious games don't influence people, so I'm going to put on a red jumper and blue dungarees and go save a Princess..... :lol:


Now that you mention it I'm going to go to Saffron City and fight of Team Rocket with my partner Pokemon.


Isn't it odd that a person with the siggie "Embrace your X-Men tendencies" claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?



"claims that video games and now (indirectly) comics (at least the conventions) cause adverse behavior?"

Where did I say this?

I said media influences people. That's all. Do try to pay attention....


You posted in response to the comment about dressing up like Mario, an article about a person dressed as Mario at a convention (where gamers and comic book geeks assemble) was groping people (and thus creating an indirect (as I mentioned) link between comic/game conventions and violent or otherwise inappropriate behavior).


Last time I played a Mario game he didn't do stuff like that. Now Luigi on the other hand... :wink:


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23 Dec 2012, 8:38 pm

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I don't think I could ever get it out of my mind if I killed someone. It's bad enough knowing there are people that die of starvation while other people throw away food.

The one has nothing to do with the other. In fact, people throwing out food are creating extra demand which causes increases in supply, bringing prices down on average. There are huge surpluses of food around the globe. Starvation usually has to do with restrictions in the supply chain due to local warlords, poor parenting, or other such bottlenecks that cannot be resolved by cleaning your plate every night and becoming obese.

Once again, we need to focus on causal factors, not just spurious correlations.


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