Shooting Spree in Isla Vista, California

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His parents had seen the videos and he was receiving help.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/20 ... ponse.html

by the age of 22, such people are pretty much beyond help, and if his parents were really any sort of parents they would have noticed his "problems" sooner--like the fact that he was a hateful narcissist who seemed to enjoy talking about killing people who didn't give him what he wanted. by the age of 22, he didn't need help--he needed a bullet to the brain-stem.

^Seconded. There's a good difference between an autie/aspie and a psychopath. This kid was the latter.

I am hopping aspergers was a misdiagnosis, this news is just to upsetting

I'd say that mentally ill/neurologically disabled people are far more prone to violence then people who have everything going for them. However, the vast majority of that violence is directed at themselves or inanimate objects. It takes a conscious effort to cross the line and start hurting other living things.

This reminds me - I recall a not disimilar MRA anti-feminist video posted in PPR, done in the style of a nondescript still picture with a voiceover, which variously railed against feminists and their evil ways, and how it was hurting men, and that, in the Mafia style of 'nice shop you got here. Shame if anything happened to it' claimed that if feminists didn't change, there would be a series of violent uprisings by men against women (which I'm assuming would be distinct from the more general gendered violence), and that only by working with MRAs could this be prevented.

Also, I thought this interesting:

http://bellejar.ca/2014/05/24/elliot-ro ... ate-women/

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This article indicates that the posters on the PUA and bodybuilding sites were actively challenging this guy's crazy victim routine, which contradicts the narrative I'm seeing develop on other sites.

Except his parents and the family's lawyer confirmed that not only was he seeing "multiple therapists," he was also on the spectrum. I don't know why they would lie about something like that. As obnoxious and terrible as MRA's are in general, that article seems a bit hysterical. It's easy enough to dismiss them without suggesting that he was fueled entirely by lame pickup artist videos.

Spree killers are statistically irrelevant. You can't draw any conclusions from them and there is little you can do remedy them, no laws and awareness will change the fact that there will always be bad eggs out there. I think it is ridiculous to tie this kid's diagnosis of Asperger's if he indeed had one to this terrible crime that he did, if a black person murdered someone you wouldn't say that blacks are more prone to violence would you?

Not to doubt the diagnosis but AS is a relatively common one whereas other disorders and illnesses that present social impairment may not be. One has to remember everybody is different but vast majority of all peoples, normal and the mentally ill or however you want to put it have no capacity for violence. People need to resist the urge to explain away why this kid did this, the easy answer is that "he's crazy" or to blame access to guns or violent media or whatever, things are always more complicated than that. Your entire life and lineage has led up to this point right now, you can't use one word to describe why someone does something.

What I want to know is, how a kid with a BMW and a rich family would have trouble gettin' any?

Well, Asperger's isn't a mental illness. Quite why he was seeing the therapists, and what sort of therapists they were, has not yet been disclosed. I would assume the blog was written before such things came to light. The point being that the immediate speculationin such things is that the perpetrator is, as it were, a 'madman'.

I think there are, obviously, many factors at play. A 'leading' newspaper - that is, big-selling, not, you know, good - in the UK, the Mail on Sunday, runs it front page: HATRED OF THE HUNGER GAMES ASSASSIN: British son of violent fantasy filmmaker kills six in gun rampage in 'revenge for being virgin at 22'.

https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/4 ... 41/photo/1

Now, the MoS is hardly a paragon of insightful thinking, but I think it's indicative that a paper will think (and so try to encourage others to), 'maybe there's something in the fact his dad was assistant director on a film that had some violence in it' rather than looking at his stated reasons. That he felt entitled to attention from women, and was baffled that this wasn't so, and he hated them for it.

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I know! And he was such a nice guy, too. A true gent. [/sarcasm.]

surprise surprise! jerk-offs with horrible personalities are unattractive to most women, even the jerk-offs with horrible personalities that also have BMWs and trust funds--unbelievable!

He could have sated his misogynistic violence by killing a few. Much less fuss made about that.

Is is reported he was on the spectrum diagnosed HFA

Shooter



I see no reason why we shouldn't. I am on the spectrum and I own firearms. I for one don't want to lose my rights as I have served my country and have been a contributor to society. But I am sure this will stir up the debate yet again.

Anything can be used as a weapon even a 4,000 lb car. Being on the spectrum should not allow them to take away our rights without just cause. I am surprised however this happened in California of all places with the strict gun laws that they have! /sarc Just goes to show that laws don't prevent crime. You can pass laws to prevent this sort of thing. Even through his HSA diagnosis, he had to have a personality disorder I would think.