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20 Dec 2014, 2:07 am

lily tomlin said it best, "I'd be a cynic, but I just can't keep up."

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20 Dec 2014, 2:21 am

auntblabby wrote:

I would bet good money, that his is just the tip of the iceberg, there will be more such attacks. many more, the floodgates are open.

^this.

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20 Dec 2014, 2:23 am

and looking down the road a ways, what this is leading to, is worldwide tyranny. the bad guys are going to ruin everybody else's freedom and bring the wrath of a worldwide dictator down on the rest of us.

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20 Dec 2014, 3:58 am

sonicallysensitive wrote:

I'll be slightly controversial here:

I don't think the 'right to free speech' equates to saying anything as/when and being able to brush it off by saying 'it's just a joke'.

Different cultures have different values; in today's world, there should be more cultural sensitivity.

I don't think we need to show a brutal regime like that of North Korea "cultural sensitivity". These people are oppressing and murdering their own people. So now there's a dent in the personality cult of the Dear Leader, oh noes!

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20 Dec 2014, 11:33 am

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Y'know, if I had had a choice in North Korea's actions, I much would have preferred that they had made the Sodomizing Lincoln than forcing Sony to cancel showing The Interview, as it would have just been an expression of free speech..

You're missing my point:

The right to free speech shouldn't be seen as a right to offend at will.

The Lincoln example was just an example: create any example that would be offensive to the US government i.e. 'Orgies at the NSA Chief of Staff Table' etc

Not every country worldwide (including my own) agrees that free speech equates to being able to say what you want when you want, with no worry of repercussions, or no sense of responsibility to what is being said/shown.

My issue is with the judgement, the mocking, and the ridicule of a living person - irrespective of who that person is, or what they have done.

Who are we to judge the actions of others?

If Sony decided to make a movie titled 'Spastic Salsa: Autism in South America', would you be OK with this, given the expression of free speech?

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20 Dec 2014, 11:47 am

They have just learned that this is how to get what they want.

It worked, they will do it again.

And again.

Dictator Chubby has just been given the power he has always wanted.

Woe is us.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:10 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

To be sure, any and all freedoms must be tempered with responsibility. But I still think Kim's response was way over the top, and might even be interpreted as an act of war. It's best to counter offensive words and images with other words and images.

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20 Dec 2014, 12:40 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

To be sure, any and all freedoms must be tempered with responsibility.

Quite

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But I still think Kim's response was way over the top,

I agree, if the hack was from NK. Again, this depends on the evidence you choose to look at, and how it is framed.

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and might even be interpreted as an act of war.

A hack of a corporation could be interpreted as an act of war?

The movie could be interpreted as an attack on a leader: is this an act of war?

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It's best to counter offensive words and images with other words and images.

Maybe in your society - but not necessarily in every society.

Sony should be held responsible - and I personally feel they should offer an apology for the offence caused due to their lack of responsibility intending to release a movie intentionally written to mock the leader of a country (whether he is 'good' or not is a different matter entirely). The humility would be refreshing.

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20 Dec 2014, 1:12 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Sony should be held responsible - and I personally feel they should offer an apology for the offence caused due to their lack of responsibility intending to release a movie intentionally written to mock the leader of a country (whether he is 'good' or not is a different matter entirely). The humility would be refreshing.

why stop with sony? why not send all the producers, writers, actors and technicians who conceived and took part in the movie over to NK for Kim to have his way with? and all the venture capitalists who funded it? better yet, why not send any American who was in favor of watching the movie over to Kim also? what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. why don't all americans just surrender to Kim?

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20 Dec 2014, 4:49 pm

sonicallysensitive wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

To be sure, any and all freedoms must be tempered with responsibility.

Quite

Kraichgauer wrote:

But I still think Kim's response was way over the top,

I agree, if the hack was from NK. Again, this depends on the evidence you choose to look at, and how it is framed.

Kraichgauer wrote:

and might even be interpreted as an act of war.

A hack of a corporation could be interpreted as an act of war?

The movie could be interpreted as an attack on a leader: is this an act of war?

Kraichgauer wrote:

It's best to counter offensive words and images with other words and images.

The hack in itself might not be so much an act of war, but the threats accompanying it - though hollow - might be viewed as deserving retaliation when the North Korean government's record for human rights abuses and aggressive military expansion are viewed alongside it.

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20 Dec 2014, 5:45 pm

auntblabby wrote:

'Surrendering to Kim' is quite a stretch from what was said.

But yes, you have a point: an apology from the entire team involved in the making of the movie would be more fitting.

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20 Dec 2014, 7:08 pm

http://gotnews.com/breaking-exclusive-t ... d-sonyhack

good chance it wasn't North Korea

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20 Dec 2014, 9:21 pm

Sony are probably embarrassed by how weak certain parts of their company's security was/is.

Any script kiddie with Metasploit could have achieved what was achieved.

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20 Dec 2014, 9:25 pm

I wonder how furiously the other studios and such are upping their anti-malware game?

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20 Dec 2014, 9:35 pm

TLA-sourced?!

Better fiscally for Sony to be humiliated as cowards than to be confirmed as working in collusion with mass data collection agencies?

Smokescreen??

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21 Dec 2014, 5:23 am

It would not surprise me if this whole thing is unconventional marketing. They can now "heroically" release it and it will become a must see movie.

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