Should United Airlines Officers Be Charged for Assault?

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13 Apr 2017, 5:31 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
I give up, it is clear that you are right because you are you and anyone who is not you is by definition wrong, because they are not you.

Despite your childish dismissal, it's an extremely important question.

As there are proposals in Congress for such a law, "Customers Not Cargo Act.”
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... story.html

Also, people have suggested to amend the "Airline Bill of Rights" to add such a "right"
http://www.philly.com/philly/opinion/20 ... ghts_.html

As it stands now, the police seem to have acted lawfully.



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13 Apr 2017, 5:37 pm

Is there a law, on the books, which says that they work for the (lower case 'p') people, as opposed to the corporations?



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13 Apr 2017, 5:53 pm

About the Smear campaign.

I've been continuing to research into the two doctor Dao's, and it just gets muddier and muddier, at this point, I no longer feel confident venturing an opinion, there are definitely two doctors, but so many contradicting claims. And the amount of noise from the partisans on both sides just keeps increasing.

Most of the news reports have at least some factual errors as well and it doesn't help that the middle name is what separates them, but that's the one thing all the news articles from that period leave out.

So at this point I'm just going to assume innocence until I see some actual evidence (not gossip/anonymous sources or daily fail articles) of his suspension.

If he was suspended I'm sure UA will bring that up in the court case, so the truth of the matter should (eventually) be clarified.



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13 Apr 2017, 5:58 pm

Did you, or your neighbor, or any nameable person, write these laws?



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13 Apr 2017, 6:02 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Overbooked - as it turns out the flight was NOT overbooked.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 100317166/
United Airlines says controversial flight was not overbooked; CEO apologizes again


I must admit, it astonishes me how quickly many people rushed to believe the daily fails claims, because it's not like the Daily Mail ever got their facts wrong(lolz).

While how many times is it now that the CEO of UA has been caught flat out blatantly lying?
And yet some people still want to attribute weight and substance to his words.

Strange.



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13 Apr 2017, 6:22 pm

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Yeah I thought a passenger had to be deemed a threat of some kind to be forced off like that..


I'm not sure they have to be a physical threat to be removed from a plane, their are probably other limited circumstances that would permit it.

But I'm quite sure that "I'm calling my lawyer" is not sufficient "threat" to justify smashing his face into the armrest until his face breaks and he is comatose for, at a guess, at least half a minute.

If the three security guards had gently prised his fingers off the seat, and then "walked" him one officer on each side, holding one arm each, with the other arms criss crossed behind his back. And gently "escorted" him off the plane. This would probably have been a non story.



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13 Apr 2017, 7:11 pm

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If the three security guards had gently prised his fingers off the seat, and then "walked" him one officer on each side, holding one arm each, with the other arms criss crossed behind his back. And gently "escorted" him off the plane. This would probably have been a non story.

Yes, even prisoners are not treated like that when being forcibly extracted from their cells. The fact that the man did not rise and exit the plane on his own when told he must do so does not in any way justify abusive bully-force leading to personal injury. Even a decent bouncer will not cause physical injury to someone during eviction unless first forced to defend himself or herself.


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13 Apr 2017, 8:49 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

I think a reasonable person will say the officers acted lawfully here in enforcing the owner's property rights.

Property rights schmoperty rights. "Libertarianism" is nothing more than corporate fascism. ThugNotHate.



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13 Apr 2017, 9:02 pm

Better watch out "ThugNotHate".
You might get called a brain dead rat turd and be threatened with being knifed though the eyes. This is experience speaking.


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13 Apr 2017, 9:11 pm

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Better watch out "ThugNotHate".
You might get called a brain dead rat turd and be threatened with being knifed though the eyes. This is experience speaking.

This user has been calling me names for a long time.

This user appears incapable of intellectually discussing topics. This user's pattern it to make emotional, off-base arguments, followed by an insult.

I feel like we should be better than name-calling.



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13 Apr 2017, 9:18 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
I don't see where you [kitesandtrainsandcats] cited any law regarding kicking off boarded passengers.

This is not about any alleged law saying a boarded passenger must leave. This is about any-and-every boarded passenger being required by law to unarguably obey any order of any officer on the aircraft.

LoveNotHate wrote:
I think a reasonable person will say the officers acted lawfully...

It was certainly lawful for the officers to act, but I cannot imagine any sane-and-decent human being saying their manner of doing so in this particular situation was even close to reasonable.


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13 Apr 2017, 9:38 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Better watch out "ThugNotHate".
You might get called a brain dead rat turd and be threatened with being knifed though the eyes. This is experience speaking.

This user has been calling me names for a long time.

This user appears incapable of intellectually discussing topics. This user's pattern it to make emotional, off-base arguments, followed by an insult.

I feel like we should be better than name-calling.


Yes, "this user" and I go way back so I'm well familiar. :P


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13 Apr 2017, 9:51 pm

Misslizard wrote:
We need more trains.
I haven't been on a plane since you could smoke on one,I don't see any reason to ever get on one again.Not only do you get molested by TSA now you get a beat down.No Thanky.


I say bring back the Pullman trains ! Best transportation America ever had!

And no suicide hijacker is going to drive a train into the top of skyscraper!



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14 Apr 2017, 4:40 am

Couple of funny comments I came across:

"There will be plenty of room on there aircraft for Staff now".

"United Airlines gave 'fight or flight' a whole new meaning".

Whatever United ends up paying the victim, will be nothing compared to how much money it has lost in stock value dropping and the loss of customers. But really I think the whole thing falls on the two airline cops.



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14 Apr 2017, 7:27 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
Is there a law, on the books, which says that they work for the (lower case 'p') people, as opposed to the corporations?

In Murika cops work for corporations.



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14 Apr 2017, 7:31 am

leejosepho wrote:
It was certainly lawful for the officers to act, but I cannot imagine any sane-and-decent human being saying their manner of doing so in this particular situation was even close to reasonable.

right-wing thugs all over facebook are praising the cops actions. Most cops are not sane and decent human beings.