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16 Aug 2017, 10:32 pm

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Racist is an absolute term. Like being pregnant or being alive, either you or you arent.

Just because someone is less obvious about thier racism, doesnt make the any less racist.

The 'right' is a spectrum and it spans right in the center from center-right libertarian and neo-liberal/neo-conservative all the way out to the kinds of boneheads and freaks that VICE was interviewing. There are some people who I'll listen to sometimes who I think are properly in the caution zone in that they'll have some guests who are in the green, some in the yellow/caution zone, and some clearly in the red, and it's good to know what all kinds of people think. Red Ice radio is pretty deep in the yellow and have been hitting the red more and more lately, Tara McCarthy's been a bit more to every part of that spectrum and I got to hear her interview with Pax Dickonson who was one of the to-be presenters at that rally. Not that I'd find myself anywhere near where Pax is politically but he also presented as night-and-day more moderate than Chris Cantwell, hence my suggestion that there was some amount of ideological spread and... also somewhat loaded in the title, if they all had exactly the same beliefs and baggage there'd really be nothing needing to be 'unite'd.

I think my thick intellectual skull finally gets it now - objectivity is for Nazi's - so whatever I said above clearly means nothing to at least a handful of posters, might mean nothing to you either for all I know, other than their perception that I'm trying to edify Nazi's or, by their apparent fondness of communism I'm promoting national socialism in another thread (PPR) by suggesting that fascism and communism are fundamentally the same thing (the reason I come to that conclusion - there's no way I could be possibly saying something good about fascism by comparing it to communism - *unless* the person reading it feels that's a favorable comparison; I personally don't consider 100 million plus murdered in the 20th century a good track record but - what do I know.....).


Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

Either you are a f*****g racist or you are not.

And it has been scientifically proven that conservatives are less objective. The have a over-active amygdala, they cant help it. But it is pretty f*****g easy to turn a liberal conservative. All you have to do is make them afraid and they abandon thier beliefs pretty f*****g fast. Just look at all the invasions after 9/11.


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16 Aug 2017, 10:36 pm

rick sanchez wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
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Racist is an absolute term. Like being pregnant or being alive, either you or you arent.

Just because someone is less obvious about thier racism, doesnt make the any less racist.

The 'right' is a spectrum and it spans right in the center from center-right libertarian and neo-liberal/neo-conservative all the way out to the kinds of boneheads and freaks that VICE was interviewing. There are some people who I'll listen to sometimes who I think are properly in the caution zone in that they'll have some guests who are in the green, some in the yellow/caution zone, and some clearly in the red, and it's good to know what all kinds of people think. Red Ice radio is pretty deep in the yellow and have been hitting the red more and more lately, Tara McCarthy's been a bit more to every part of that spectrum and I got to hear her interview with Pax Dickonson who was one of the to-be presenters at that rally. Not that I'd find myself anywhere near where Pax is politically but he also presented as night-and-day more moderate than Chris Cantwell, hence my suggestion that there was some amount of ideological spread and... also somewhat loaded in the title, if they all had exactly the same beliefs and baggage there'd really be nothing needing to be 'unite'd.

I think my thick intellectual skull finally gets it now - objectivity is for Nazi's - so whatever I said above clearly means nothing to at least a handful of posters, might mean nothing to you either for all I know, other than their perception that I'm trying to edify Nazi's or, by their apparent fondness of communism I'm promoting national socialism in another thread (PPR) by suggesting that fascism and communism are fundamentally the same thing (the reason I come to that conclusion - there's no way I could be possibly saying something good about fascism by comparing it to communism - *unless* the person reading it feels that's a favorable comparison; I personally don't consider 100 million plus murdered in the 20th century a good track record but - what do I know.....).


Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

Either you are a f*****g racist or you are not.

Now politics is a spectrum with abiguity just like autism.


Yeah, he is a racist who does not want to be honest about his intentions. He says "f**k Nazis" in one post, and then he advocates for their right to advocate genocide in another, so.....



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16 Aug 2017, 10:50 pm

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Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

My apologies, I didn't quote myself in what you were responding to. You were responding to my suggestion that there was a spectrum from normal right to crazy right at the rally. Your response really didn't offer a different rendering than 'Everyone at the rally was racist and if they didn't seem like racists they were just 'less obvious' about their racism. If that's not what you meant feel free to clarify.


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16 Aug 2017, 10:52 pm

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Yeah, he is a racist who does not want to be honest about his intentions. He says "f**k Nazis" in one post, and then he advocates for their right to advocate genocide in another, so.....

I'll tell you a secret - I'm a classic liberal who believes in Enlightenment principles such as free speech.

Add that to your 'secret code words for Nazi' list!


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16 Aug 2017, 10:54 pm

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Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

My apologies, I didn't quote myself in what you were responding to. You were responding to my suggestion that there was a spectrum from normal right to crazy right at the rally. Your response really didn't offer a different rendering than 'Everyone at the rally was racist and if they didn't seem like racists they were just 'less obvious' about their racism. If that's not what you meant feel free to clarify.


Are you implying that there were some people at the alt-right rally who experienced intellectual disabilities so severe that they had no idea what they were signing up for? I don't think that is the case at all.



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16 Aug 2017, 11:33 pm

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Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

My apologies, I didn't quote myself in what you were responding to. You were responding to my suggestion that there was a spectrum from normal right to crazy right at the rally. Your response really didn't offer a different rendering than 'Everyone at the rally was racist and if they didn't seem like racists they were just 'less obvious' about their racism. If that's not what you meant feel free to clarify.


But that was the one thing that all the various groups that showed up at the rally seemed to have in common--not just that they were on the right of the political spectrum, but they were all groups based on white supremacy/white nationalism. That was the common thread, the racism.



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16 Aug 2017, 11:36 pm

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
rick sanchez wrote:
Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

My apologies, I didn't quote myself in what you were responding to. You were responding to my suggestion that there was a spectrum from normal right to crazy right at the rally. Your response really didn't offer a different rendering than 'Everyone at the rally was racist and if they didn't seem like racists they were just 'less obvious' about their racism. If that's not what you meant feel free to clarify.


But that was the one thing that all the various groups that showed up at the rally seemed to have in common--not just that they were on the right of the political spectrum, but they were all groups based on white supremacy/white nationalism. That was the common thread, the racism.


He refuses to recognize how real the danger is. Either that, or he openly embraces it. I'm not sure.



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16 Aug 2017, 11:58 pm

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Did I say a f*****g thing about the right? Now quit changing the f*****g subject just so you can avoid what I said.

My apologies, I didn't quote myself in what you were responding to. You were responding to my suggestion that there was a spectrum from normal right to crazy right at the rally. Your response really didn't offer a different rendering than 'Everyone at the rally was racist and if they didn't seem like racists they were just 'less obvious' about their racism. If that's not what you meant feel free to clarify.


What the hell are you talking about? You made the claim that there were racist-light people at the rally and I said no there wasnt.

Then you went into the tangent about a political spectrum, which fine I agree, but it avoided the fact that if someone was at that rally, they are a.f*****g racist.


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17 Aug 2017, 6:44 am

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He refuses to recognize how real the danger is. Either that, or he openly embraces it. I'm not sure.

Truthfully I'm far more terrified of what can be done once we artificially begin curtailing, muting, or altering the 1st amendment. That's guaranteed tyranny. People like nazi's and holocaust deniers absolutely suck. The problem is, if we all agree that there are people who absolutely should be no-platformed, no matter what, never be given permits, we've agreed that there are people who do not have first amendment rights.

If that sounds like an irrelevant point you'd have to check out Jordan Peterson, not that I'm any sort of unquestioning follower but because he'd articulate my concerns on this matter far better than I can in a thread like this. Nazi's are only the first order of concern right now because they're immediately on our radar. Once we agree that free speech should be selectively enforced there's no telling who'll actually end up with the enforcement of that or who'll end up in power and be able to do what to us.


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17 Aug 2017, 2:17 pm

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Actually it's supposed to be Ctrl-Left. As in the control left.


Ctrl left, alt-right Delete.
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17 Aug 2017, 2:51 pm

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This is an interesting newsvideo by Elle Reeve who joined Chris Cantwell at the protests in Charlottesville to cover them for VICE.

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that was... beyond abhorrent. cannot side with those that view suppressing these supremacists is a violation of their right to speak when they rally with murderous intent and for violent uprising. however, they are as a moth is to flame. they think their shameless display is one promoting their formidability, but in giving others knowledge of their adversaries... they are not a force of any substantial threat. they’re no match for the majority, let alone the military. seriously, the loser that had packed a stifling amount of firearms, a knife and a bullet “resistant” vest got maced prostrate multiple times. what’s he going to do if they up the stakes to war and he’s shot between the eyes? rinse off the deathblow with some milk? their leaders are leading these inept imbecilic dreamers to their deaths.


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17 Aug 2017, 4:35 pm

Donald Trump seems to have more anger about mild mannered liberals than about nationalists calling for the overthrow of government carrying automatic weapons in public and killing innocent civilians?

I imagine next time they go on their "march" the army be called in as the police did nothing constructive in Charlottseville in disarming these characters or preventing them from launching attacks on individual liberal protestors after the march was over.

At least one case where a college student was set upon when he as getting into his car to go home. Should have been a warrant for the arrest of these criminals.

Nobody in the Antifa group was carrying automatic weapons



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Donald Trump seems to have more anger about mild mannered liberals than about nationalists calling for the overthrow of government carrying automatic weapons in public and killing innocent civilians?

They also haven't saturated the public sphere quite as long as Antifa to leave quite as much of a bad taste yet. I get the impression they've already caught up significantly though, even just in one weekend.


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17 Aug 2017, 8:28 pm

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Donald Trump seems to have more anger about mild mannered liberals than about nationalists calling for the overthrow of government carrying automatic weapons in public and killing innocent civilians?

I imagine next time they go on their "march" the army be called in as the police did nothing constructive in Charlottseville in disarming these characters or preventing them from launching attacks on individual liberal protestors after the march was over.

At least one case where a college student was set upon when he as getting into his car to go home. Should have been a warrant for the arrest of these criminals.

Nobody in the Antifa group was carrying automatic weapons

Good grief!! First-of-all, where did you hear somebody was calling-for over-throwing the government? Just because they said they wanted to take-back the country, or whatever, that doesn't, necessarily, mean "take it from the government".

Secondly, IIRC, Virginia has all kinds of laws, FOR gun owners (including "carry" and "open carry"); so, them having guns, was no crime.

Thirdly, as I said on another thread, the girl from VICE ("Ellie" I think her name is), said that where they had the guns, was a DIFFERENT place, than where the guy ran-over those people.

Lastly, I can't help but feel that the for-statue-removal people were the ones who started it----they were told to stay home, afterall----cuz they went down there with bats and mace, and bricks, and stuff (this was the area where guns were NOT allowed, cuz it was the Uni campus). Did they still have a right, to go down-there? SURE----but, then, the ANTI-statue-removal people had a right to protest, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE, TOO.





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Lastly, I can't help but feel that the for-statue-removal people were the ones who started it----they were told to stay home, afterall----cuz they went down there with bats and mace, and bricks, and stuff (this was the area where guns were NOT allowed, cuz it was the Uni campus). Did they still have a right, to go down-there? SURE----but, then, the ANTI-statue-removal people had a right to protest, WITHOUT INTERFERENCE, TOO.[/b][/color]


Is this what Trump was trying to allude to? the Antifa people didn't have permission to be there whereas the "unite the right" people applied through legal means to march around Lee's statue with their paraphernalia and guns?



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18 Aug 2017, 8:36 am

Of course their is an emerging alt left. Look at Melenchon, Sanders and Corbyn. Throughout much of the world their has been a turn to far left which has grown steadily. The movement can be considered alt left as it is an alternative left to the current left leaning establishment that is set in place. It is growing in force steadily and to be honest, I am pretty sure in the next 8 years a person representing this movement will take power in America. The polls every place show such a thing is being probable e.g. the way in which America was prepared to back Bernie Sanders over everyone of the Republican candidates. The fact that around 60% of the American public are open to a Canadian style healthcare system proves this. They by and large support the ideals that can be considered extremely far to the left and knowing Trump he will not get reelected.