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05 Dec 2018, 12:15 am

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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.


Bill Clinton had little problem getting reelected despite the investigation hounding him.


Whereas Hillary Clinton blamed Comey directly for her election loss.



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05 Dec 2018, 12:55 am

EzraS wrote:
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EzraS wrote:
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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.


Bill Clinton had little problem getting reelected despite the investigation hounding him.


Whereas Hillary Clinton blamed Comey directly for her election loss.


Well, considering that he talked openly about investigating her over emails and association with Wiener, all the while not making a peep about Trump's collusion with the Russians (something of which was already known of), I can see where she's coming from. Comey thought there was no way in hell she was going to lose, and so didn't want to look as if he was contributing to her supposed victory.


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05 Dec 2018, 2:45 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.


Bill Clinton had little problem getting reelected despite the investigation hounding him.


Whereas Hillary Clinton blamed Comey directly for her election loss.


Well, considering that he talked openly about investigating her over emails and association with Wiener, all the while not making a peep about Trump's collusion with the Russians (something of which was already known of), I can see where she's coming from. Comey thought there was no way in hell she was going to lose, and so didn't want to look as if he was contributing to her supposed victory.


I agree. And what I'm saying is that an investigation can thow an election under certain circumstances. Do you think there isn't now and won't be a concerted effort at election time to try keeping trump from being reelected? I mean more so than any other president has faced before?



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05 Dec 2018, 3:01 am

Looks like the OP is gone from this site until next election cycle.

He seems to only participate to post propaganda.


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05 Dec 2018, 11:19 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
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Investigating Trump hardly means it's just a means to limiting Trump to a single term.
Those indictments are meant to get Trump's corrupt henchmen to turn on him.


No it's certainly not limited to that. But if that doesn't work out, then it plus who knows what else will probably be used to keep trump from being reelected.


Bill Clinton had little problem getting reelected despite the investigation hounding him.


Whereas Hillary Clinton blamed Comey directly for her election loss.


Well, considering that he talked openly about investigating her over emails and association with Wiener, all the while not making a peep about Trump's collusion with the Russians (something of which was already known of), I can see where she's coming from. Comey thought there was no way in hell she was going to lose, and so didn't want to look as if he was contributing to her supposed victory.


I agree. And what I'm saying is that an investigation can thow an election under certain circumstances. Do you think there isn't now and won't be a concerted effort at election time to try keeping trump from being reelected? I mean more so than any other president has faced before?


If he's guilty, then I can certainly see the investigation turning the election against him.


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05 Dec 2018, 11:46 am

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If he's guilty, then I can certainly see the investigation turning the election against him.


Clinton didn't need to be guilty to have the investigation turn the election against her. And it could have been intentional. I'm not saying I think it was intentional. But hypothetically speaking it could have been.



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05 Dec 2018, 11:54 am

I would say people like Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter faced stiff opposition to either of them being re-elected. Perhaps more than Trump would face at present.

Johnson withdrew from the 1968 election, and Carter was defeated by Reagan. Both Johnson and Carter served only one full term.



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05 Dec 2018, 12:00 pm

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I would say people like Lyndon Johnson and Jimmy Carter faced stiff opposition to either of them being re-elected. Perhaps more than Trump would face at present.

Johnson withdrew from the 1968 election, and Carter was defeated by Reagan. Both Johnson and Carter served only one full term.


I'm looking forward to seeing how much trump will receive. Epic proportions I would imagine. If he survives Mueller that is.



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05 Dec 2018, 12:20 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


Mueller is squeezing the little fish to turn over on the big orange whale.
Comey saw evidence of collussion, but feared accusations of favoring Clinton who he thought would be a shoo in for the Presidency.
How is Mueller compromised, and how is that relevant to his investigation?


Yeah yeah.
The whole thing is a sham. Comey is a liar.
Mueller lied in a testimony about Iraq. He wouldn't have been chosen for this sham otherwise.


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05 Dec 2018, 6:03 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


Mueller is squeezing the little fish to turn over on the big orange whale.
Comey saw evidence of collussion, but feared accusations of favoring Clinton who he thought would be a shoo in for the Presidency.
How is Mueller compromised, and how is that relevant to his investigation?


Yeah yeah.
The whole thing is a sham. Comey is a liar.
Mueller lied in a testimony about Iraq. He wouldn't have been chosen for this sham otherwise.


Before Mueller became Trump's nightmare, he was singing Mueller's praises for being honest and a tower of integrity.
Like Trump, you're forgotten Michael Flynn, and what he's been telling Mueller to keep out of prison. Flynn might be a xenophobic nutcase, but he knows where the bodies are buried.


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05 Dec 2018, 6:07 pm

EzraS wrote:
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If he's guilty, then I can certainly see the investigation turning the election against him.


Clinton didn't need to be guilty to have the investigation turn the election against her. And it could have been intentional. I'm not saying I think it was intentional. But hypothetically speaking it could have been.


The FBI investigation was enough to nudge the advantage over to Trump in the campaign's last days. Help from Trump's Russian friends, and Clinton's own lack of popularity had done most of the work.


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05 Dec 2018, 6:55 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Before Mueller became Trump's nightmare, he was singing Mueller's praises for being honest and a tower of integrity.


That's very true.

The Trump supporters were all whining about the Democrats investigating Trump thinking it was unfair. Then when Mueller's appointment was announced, they were cheering because of the belief that a Republican would just whitewash everything involving other Republicans. When Mueller proved himself to be the honest man that he is, they all started whining even worse.



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06 Dec 2018, 5:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


Mueller is squeezing the little fish to turn over on the big orange whale.
Comey saw evidence of collussion, but feared accusations of favoring Clinton who he thought would be a shoo in for the Presidency.
How is Mueller compromised, and how is that relevant to his investigation?


Yeah yeah.
The whole thing is a sham. Comey is a liar.
Mueller lied in a testimony about Iraq. He wouldn't have been chosen for this sham otherwise.


Before Mueller became Trump's nightmare, he was singing Mueller's praises for being honest and a tower of integrity.
Like Trump, you're forgotten Michael Flynn, and what he's been telling Mueller to keep out of prison. Flynn might be a xenophobic nutcase, but he knows where the bodies are buried.


I don't care what Trump did or said. He changes every day.
He was working on behalf of Kushner for Israel. Collusion with Israel, why is that not investigated? Especially after the undercover Al Jazeera documentary regarding the the Israel lobby.


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06 Dec 2018, 5:24 pm

kokopelli wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Before Mueller became Trump's nightmare, he was singing Mueller's praises for being honest and a tower of integrity.


That's very true.

The Trump supporters were all whining about the Democrats investigating Trump thinking it was unfair. Then when Mueller's appointment was announced, they were cheering because of the belief that a Republican would just whitewash everything involving other Republicans. When Mueller proved himself to be the honest man that he is, they all started whining even worse.


Lol. Mueller honest haha. He's a shill.


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06 Dec 2018, 5:56 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Heat844 wrote:
Trump hasn't stopped the witch hunt because it IS a witch hunt. When he is found innocent, the liberals will probably investigate Mueller and the rest of his team and his limo driver and his mother and his father and his dentist and his barber and his...

If it is a witch hunt Trump will not be found innocent.


witch hunt noun 2: the searching out and deliberate harassment of those (such as political opponents) with unpopular views. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/witch%20hunt


A witch hunt is legit if it uncovers real witches.


There's no good spin one can put on a witch hunt, either in the historical context or in the contemporary context. They by their very nature are not legit, which is the whole point of the phrase these days.


Or to speak more plainly: it's not a witch hunt if wrong doing is uncovered. So far, Trump's henchmen are being indicted and convicted right and left. And if Trump is so innocent, why is he sweating bullets?


Nothing to do with Russian collusion. If they had any evidence it would have been used before the election to stop Trump getting elected. It's an utter farce. Mueller should be investigated for his role in the Iraq war and would be in a just world. He's compromised and that's why he's carrying out this joke of an investigation.


Mueller is squeezing the little fish to turn over on the big orange whale.
Comey saw evidence of collussion, but feared accusations of favoring Clinton who he thought would be a shoo in for the Presidency.
How is Mueller compromised, and how is that relevant to his investigation?


Yeah yeah.
The whole thing is a sham. Comey is a liar.
Mueller lied in a testimony about Iraq. He wouldn't have been chosen for this sham otherwise.


Before Mueller became Trump's nightmare, he was singing Mueller's praises for being honest and a tower of integrity.
Like Trump, you're forgotten Michael Flynn, and what he's been telling Mueller to keep out of prison. Flynn might be a xenophobic nutcase, but he knows where the bodies are buried.


I don't care what Trump did or said. He changes every day.
He was working on behalf of Kushner for Israel. Collusion with Israel, why is that not investigated? Especially after the undercover Al Jazeera documentary regarding the the Israel lobby.


Number one - just when was this collusion with Israel supposedly happening? When he was running for President, or after?
Number two - Did Israel allegedly give Trump a hand with his election?
Number Three - Israel is an ally, whereas Russia is an adversary.


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06 Dec 2018, 6:10 pm

It's happening all the time. I posted the story about Flynn and Israel before. Wow, you think CNN would be on about it all the time given that it shows that Trump's closest were working for a foreign state. It happened after Trump was elected if I remember correctly. Not that it matters.
Nope, and neither did Russia.
No one is an ally. Israel has been caught spying on the US and stealing nuclear secrets from them.


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