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22 Jan 2019, 11:20 pm

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You are difficult to read then, because you're also saying things that make you sound very adamant that Philips was the victim and Sandmann was the aggressor.

I think Phillips' movement and position were innocent, but could have been misunderstood. I think Sandmann is lying, but also can't be entirely condemned since he is probably a minor and exercised bad judgement, as he admitted. He said he wished he walked away.


To me the real story isn't the interaction between those two, which was essentially innocuous. The real story is media distortion and people flipping out on twitter as seen in this thread.



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22 Jan 2019, 11:23 pm

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Remember folks, along with there is no fake news and no witch hunt, there is no derangement syndrome.



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22 Jan 2019, 11:29 pm

You couldn't make this stuff up.

Fake Indian repeats fake news about real (?) Indian telling fake stories to fake-news media.

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Soon followed by the Washington Post saying...

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22 Jan 2019, 11:37 pm

the washington post seems to be behind a lot of this stuff. if it's not a washington post article, its an article by other media that's according to the washington post. my distrust has gone down another notch and it was already in the basement.



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23 Jan 2019, 12:15 am

I must give the NBC television network some credit here, they actually went through the trouble to interview Sandmann and tried to cover it in an unbiased way on the NBC Nightly broadcast. I still say it was 4 days too late, even Fox News piled on this kid before more video evidence came out and w/o fact checking. I intend to try and catch the full interview on the Today Show.


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23 Jan 2019, 12:34 am

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I must give the NBC television network some credit here, they actually went through the trouble to interview Sandmann and tried to cover it in an unbiased way on the NBC Nightly broadcast. I still say it was 4 days too late, even Fox News piled on this kid before more video evidence came out and w/o fact checking. I intend to try and catch the full interview on the Today Show.


Yeah this goes beyond left/right beyond politics. The fact that an ordinary person can have a hate mob of millions piling on them is terrifying, August Ames killed herself because she was being bullied for not sleeping with a man who did gay porn. It won't be long until the Mob drives another person to suicide.



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23 Jan 2019, 12:41 am

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I don't see your point. A child was slandered by multiple news outlets, people were calling for violence against him including celebrities, people were wishing him dead, comparing him to the Hitler youth, trying to get his mother fired. So after all this he accepted some free representation how does that make him a bad person?

I mean you can't trust Republicans to tell the truth, least of all Mitch McConnell and his ilk. Calling for violence is wrong, but expressing your feelings is not. They do resemble Hitler youth.


Can’t trust democrats to tell any truth. There’s years and years of documented lies fr them.



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23 Jan 2019, 1:09 am

Can't trust politicians full stop.


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23 Jan 2019, 2:41 am

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I must give the NBC television network some credit here, they actually went through the trouble to interview Sandmann and tried to cover it in an unbiased way on the NBC Nightly broadcast. I still say it was 4 days too late, even Fox News piled on this kid before more video evidence came out and w/o fact checking. I intend to try and catch the full interview on the Today Show.


It was too late, but it also exposed a lot regarding media and mentalities. I think the way any particular media source covered this is a good test of how reliable they are.



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23 Jan 2019, 4:15 am

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I don't see your point. A child was slandered by multiple news outlets, people were calling for violence against him including celebrities, people were wishing him dead, comparing him to the Hitler youth, trying to get his mother fired. So after all this he accepted some free representation how does that make him a bad person?

I mean you can't trust Republicans to tell the truth, least of all Mitch McConnell and his ilk. Calling for violence is wrong, but expressing your feelings is not. They do resemble Hitler youth.


In what sense their skin colour? Did the Hitler youth defend gay rights?

Loyalty to a bigot, denigration of minorities, and wearing a symbol of that oppression.

Most of the kid protesters were wearing Trump regalia. Even without the incident that is known as going off message. Makes me wonder if the school sent them to protest the anniversary of Roe vs Wade or to support Trump.


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23 Jan 2019, 4:54 am

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The deliberate, coordinated, trained tactics of the fascist left.

Leftist Activism 101: Get in someone’s face and then play victim for the cameras

The recent interaction in DC between high school students (one in particular) and an older activist who is Native American reminded me of a warning I once received from a colleague as to how I needed to prepare myself if I ever was in a hostile crowd or confronted.

A classic leftist/occupy activist tactic, I was warned, was to confront a target and immediately start screaming that the target was being aggressive even though that was not true.

Unsuspecting people in the vicinity would not start recording the incident until there was this commotion. The videographers accompanying the provocateur also would edit the video to start when the provocateur started screaming. The target, not knowing what was about to happen, would not be prepared for it, and might even take the bait, such as in pushing the person away physically.

Regardless of what the target did or didn’t do, you would have video of the innocent target being portrayed as the aggressor, and the provocateur portrayed as the victim.

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...While I am against what you described, I can't help but remembering that there have been description s of such behavior by co servative a tivists - Putting on " Oh, the agony! " fits when bumped/brushed into or when removed from blocking somewhere to create the impression of mistreatment!


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23 Jan 2019, 8:07 am

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I don't see your point. A child was slandered by multiple news outlets, people were calling for violence against him including celebrities, people were wishing him dead, comparing him to the Hitler youth, trying to get his mother fired. So after all this he accepted some free representation how does that make him a bad person?

I mean you can't trust Republicans to tell the truth, least of all Mitch McConnell and his ilk. Calling for violence is wrong, but expressing your feelings is not. They do resemble Hitler youth.


Can’t trust democrats to tell any truth. There’s years and years of documented lies fr them.

I'm sure you can build such a narrative, but it would have to ignore the order of magnitude difference between their level of honesty and that of Trump, which is unprecedented. Bigotry leads to Auschwitz. Inclusiveness leads to a melting pot where all are created equal and people are judged by the content of their character.



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23 Jan 2019, 8:21 am

AspE wrote:
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I don't see your point. A child was slandered by multiple news outlets, people were calling for violence against him including celebrities, people were wishing him dead, comparing him to the Hitler youth, trying to get his mother fired. So after all this he accepted some free representation how does that make him a bad person?

I mean you can't trust Republicans to tell the truth, least of all Mitch McConnell and his ilk. Calling for violence is wrong, but expressing your feelings is not. They do resemble Hitler youth.


Can’t trust democrats to tell any truth. There’s years and years of documented lies fr them.

I'm sure you can build such a narrative, but it would have to ignore the order of magnitude difference between their level of honesty and that of Trump, which is unprecedented. Bigotry leads to Auschwitz. Inclusiveness leads to a melting pot where all are created equal and people are judged by the content of their character.


And where white children are held to a lower standard than non white adults.



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23 Jan 2019, 8:39 am

Don't you mean higher standard?