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27 Mar 2020, 11:20 pm

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I'm curious to know what parts people think were taken out of context in either video posted? The part where Trump thinks it was going to go away on it's own? The part where Trump repeatedly says it was all under control?


Trump's loose words have resulted in people dying
https://globalnews.ca/news/6723614/coro ... ald-trump/

Now he's trying to hide what he said and hide his lack of inaction
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/ ... ertisement



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27 Mar 2020, 11:23 pm

https://twitter.com/i/status/1242974655293435907
tuck frump does NOT want people seeing the above on twitter.



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27 Mar 2020, 11:32 pm

As i said before, the people who are accountable are not taking responsibility. And Trump isn't the only one.....



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27 Mar 2020, 11:42 pm

Trump sucks. Trump is awful. Trump told lies that made people eat fish tank cleaner. He has totally lied about and screwed up the coronavirus situation. Please vote for Joe Biden because Joe Biden would not be doing all the awful terrible stupid idiotic things Donald Trump is doing regarding the coronavirus.


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27 Mar 2020, 11:55 pm

EzraS wrote:
Trump sucks. Trump is awful. Trump told lies that made people eat fish tank cleaner. He has totally lied about and screwed up the coronavirus situation. Please vote for Joe Biden because Joe Biden would not be doing all the awful terrible stupid idiotic things Donald Trump is doing regarding the coronavirus.


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As I said on another thread, if Biden becomes the Democratic nominee, Trump will win. This country will be in the same boat as 2016: a choice between Tweedle-dumb and Tweedle-dumber.



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28 Mar 2020, 12:05 am

Go Joe!

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28 Mar 2020, 12:08 am

like it or not, he's the only thing between us and twittler. a positive spin on his seeming senescence is that at least some of that is the mark of a master stuttering compensator, IOW he makes verbal gaffes because that is how he avoids stuttering, as he is a lifelong stutterer.



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28 Mar 2020, 1:21 am

Is this Joe Bidin guy good?



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28 Mar 2020, 1:21 am

cyberdad wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:

Extreme partisanship skews the truth.


hen how is Trump at all right?


What?

Have you been drinking again?


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hen how is Trump at all right?


He's a chicken, that's why. :mrgreen:

No, I am not a grammar nazi.
I am an opportunist. :wink:

I'll have what he is drinking. :wink:


Gonna have me some pineapple moscotto! The missus and I are about to split it.


I'll join you, so little do being locked indoors :(


I wish you were around in my neck of the woods, man! 8) 8)


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28 Mar 2020, 1:25 am

EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:

Extreme partisanship skews the truth.


hen how is Trump at all right?


What?

Have you been drinking again?


Ha Ha Ha Ha!! !
that's so funny, it's...
But seriously, I think we all know I meant "Then," not "hen."
No, I'm just about to start drinking.
Please, answer the question.


No I got the dropped T part. I did not get the wording and especially what it had to do with what I said. Do you mean why do the right go with a republican president, just like the left go with a democrat president/candidate?


No, I mean that this particular Republican President can't do anything good for anyone else but himself and his spawn.


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28 Mar 2020, 1:28 am

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Is this Joe Bidin guy good?


For the most part: yes.


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28 Mar 2020, 1:29 am

Kitty4670 wrote:
Is this Joe Bidin guy good?

he is the lesser of two evils. think of him as "good cop" whereas trumpy is "bad cop."



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28 Mar 2020, 1:52 am

auntblabby wrote:
Kitty4670 wrote:
Is this Joe Bidin guy good?

he is the lesser of two evils. think of him as "good cop" whereas trumpy is "bad cop."


Sorry, the lesser of two evils is still evil, in my book.

Don’t mind me. I’m stir crazy. That p!ssy Governor of PA, Tom Wolf, just added York County to the quarantine in place, no thanks to this damn virus. I haven’t left my apartment, except to get my mail and take out the trash, in the past 2 weeks. Unless I have to go for medical testing (UPMC Hospital is right down the hill from me), and I need to get blood drawn before my next doctor’s appointment, or I need to hit Wally World for groceries, citizens are to stay indoors at all times, unless said citizen is an exempt employee (meaning healthcare, grocery, law enforcement, fire/EMT, food service delivery (meals on wheels, domino’s, grub hub, etc.) until 8 April. I stay locked in my apartment (and further, my bedroom) 98% of the time.



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28 Mar 2020, 1:53 am

Noca wrote:
I'm curious to know what parts people think were taken out of context in either video posted? The part where Trump thinks it was going to go away on it's own? The part where Trump repeatedly says it was all under control?


Well, I could only make an informed comment if I saw the entire video clip, rather than snippets out of context. ;)
I may agree with you in the end, but until I see it for myself, it is only speculation that it isn't misleading.
Surely you can see my reasoning?
With politics, you can't take anything for granted, from either side of the political divide.

Having said that, it doesn't make him look good.
But then again, when has the left *ever* wanted to make Trump look good? :wink:

You do realise that clips like that one are specifically made to mock the opposition.
It is not in the maker's interest to be fairminded.
I found it entertaining, but you can't attach concepts such as "ethical", "fairminded" and "integrity" to the production.

I did enjoy watching the video even though I knew it was hateful/vindictive because I don't take such things seriously.
It is entertainment for me.
I've got thick skin these days. <shrug>

I am not one of the herd, and never will be,
Or should that be: never "wildebeest " be I? :mrgreen:

Digging a little deeper, I see his general performance in the context of how he thinks he should act politically.

"They say Truth is the first casualty in war".
In certain situations, manipulation, rather than truthfulness is more important.
Ask Joseph Goebbels. :wink:

My best guess is that Trump is clumsily trying to inspire confidence into the American people.
In my opinion, he isn't doing a particularly good job, but he is trying.
Very trying. :mrgreen:

To see the deception in the political arena, all one has to do is peruse the Wikileaks, errr, leaks.
It showed the inherent two-faced deception of politicians, and as a result, these "honourable" men and women of the political aristocracy are going for Assange's blood, because of the humiliation they feel through being exposed, as an example.

My point is: Manipulation is part and parcel of being a politician.
I.E. Trump is being a politician by wanting to put a positive spin on events.
He may not be doing a particularly great job, but I believe I can see the underlying political machinations involved.
And the reason, assuming I am right, I can see what is unfolding, is that I am non-partisan and don't have the blinkers on that many others do. :wink:

I believe I have less cognitive bias than most.
I also believe confirmation bias is something that doesn't have a particularly significant hold on me either, in this particular context.

I am not saying partisanship is necessarily a bad thing.
I am saying if one wishes to see the entire picture more clearly, be more interested in the Truth, rather than playing "us against them" via groupthink, partisanship is not your friend.
It is your fiend. :mrgreen:

I thank you. <bow>
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28 Mar 2020, 2:01 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
EzraS wrote:

Extreme partisanship skews the truth.


hen how is Trump at all right?


What?

Have you been drinking again?


Ha Ha Ha Ha!! !
that's so funny, it's...
But seriously, I think we all know I meant "Then," not "hen."
No, I'm just about to start drinking.
Please, answer the question.


No I got the dropped T part. I did not get the wording and especially what it had to do with what I said. Do you mean why do the right go with a republican president, just like the left go with a democrat president/candidate?


No, I mean that this particular Republican President can't do anything good for anyone else but himself and his spawn.


I heard Trump isn't taking a salary for being President.
Is this correct? :scratch:

Kraichgauer wrote:
Kitty4670 wrote:
Is this Joe Bidin guy good?


For the most part: yes.


Bear in mind, Kraichgauer has heavy left-wing affiliations and detests Trump. :mrgreen:



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28 Mar 2020, 2:16 am

Meistersinger wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Kitty4670 wrote:
Is this Joe Bidin guy good?

he is the lesser of two evils. think of him as "good cop" whereas trumpy is "bad cop."


Sorry, the lesser of two evils is still evil, in my book.Don’t mind me. I’m stir crazy. That p!ssy Governor of PA, Tom Wolf, just added York County to the quarantine in place, no thanks to this damn virus. I haven’t left my apartment, except to get my mail and take out the trash, in the past 2 weeks. Unless I have to go for medical testing (UPMC Hospital is right down the hill from me), and I need to get blood drawn before my next doctor’s appointment, or I need to hit Wally World for groceries, citizens are to stay indoors at all times, unless said citizen is an exempt employee (meaning healthcare, grocery, law enforcement, fire/EMT, food service delivery (meals on wheels, domino’s, grub hub, etc.) until 8 April. I stay locked in my apartment (and further, my bedroom) 98% of the time.

it sounds like you are battling "cabin fever." as am i. our state at least permits outdoor individual exercise, that has saved me from being found wandering down the street with my fingers on my lips going "BLALABLABLALALA...." anyways, i digress- lesser evil is one smack on the tuchas with a 2-by-4; greater evil is 100 smacks on the tuchas by said 2-by-4-- now tell me, which would would you rather have? you will have one by default if you don't choose the other.