Transgender buyer's remorse, aka "detransitioning"

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15 Dec 2022, 9:34 am

I like the above phrases, too....and sometimes use them.

I've known people who think they're BS, though.

It's not BS, though. It's for real!



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15 Dec 2022, 9:43 am

i guess many of us on the spectrum have an underpowered consoling module in our brains rather than one that works better.



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15 Dec 2022, 9:46 am

I just believe the progress towards a solution to a dilemma is much better than just soaking one's self within the dilemma.

My mother is a strong, accomplished woman. But the fact of her "soaking within her dilemmas" renders her unable to be happy.



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15 Dec 2022, 9:51 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

My mother is a strong, accomplished woman. But the fact of her "soaking within her dilemmas" renders her unable to be happy.


Your mother has PTSD.
She isn't "soaking within her dilemma" as a choice.
She isn't rejecting happiness as a choice.

No one chooses to drown.
PTSD weighs us down.


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15 Dec 2022, 11:30 am

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I don't feel like anything, really. When I was younger I think I affected a more 'girly' persona, in hindsight I think I was trying things on for size. But, mostly I was a tomboy. I hardly think of it. I buy things to wear that fit my body. My body has changed with time and my clothing has taken on more of a generic, economical purpose. Very little to do with projecting an image.
I see to it that I'm clean, that's about all I can say for myself. Nothing to write home about, just a body.
I don't really get what all the fuss is about, but that's just me. I sometimes fell like I don't live in my body. I live in my mind.


Same here, although I never put on a girly persona, I don't know why. I was always up trees climbing around, covered in bruises. My mum was terribly disappointed because I didn't like to wear dresses and be girly, but then she was disappointed whatever I did and still is.

Yes, I buy practical clothes that fit and colours that suit me i.e. bold colours, not drab greys or browns. I don't project an image, I wouldn't know how to, or care to. I definitely live in my mind and try to take care of my body, but it's very much the secondary part of me.


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15 Dec 2022, 11:43 am

i've long thought women have the best when it comes to clothing.



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15 Dec 2022, 11:50 am

I've always just felt like "consciousness", rather than a human or a gender.
I'm a detached brain observing the world, kind of third person.
I don't mean detached as in "uncaring" or "psychopathic".
I mean detached as in: I don't fit any of the categories that people create.

I don't feel like a woman when I compare myself to other women.
I don't feel like a man in any way.
I'm just a floating brain with a bunch of sensory receptors and a big heart.

I have a woman's body that does womanly things like carrying babies.
I dress like a woman because I choose to ... I find the clothes are softer.
I look like a woman because of my innate genetics.
I have a woman's sex drive (primarily hetero).
People assume I'm a woman and biologically yes I am.

In my mind, I have no gender at all.
I don't consider women my role models.
I don't mask or try to copy them.
I tend to think like a man (so I've been told), but I don't feel male.

Does the air we breathe have a gender?
Do the stars, or water?
.... because that's all my inner "me" is made of.


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15 Dec 2022, 12:16 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:
I've always just felt like "consciousness", rather than a human or a gender.
I'm a detached brain observing the world, kind of third person...

I don't feel like a woman when I compare myself to other women.
I don't feel like a man in any way.
I'm just a floating brain with a bunch of sensory receptors and a big heart.


Same here. I am a brain and that is all. My poor old body is just a vehicle to carry my brain in.

I often wonder what it's like to be one of those physical people who does sport and other physical things, but doesn't think deeply about anything.


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15 Dec 2022, 2:32 pm

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I don't feel like anything, really. When I was younger I think I affected a more 'girly' persona, in hindsight I think I was trying things on for size. But, mostly I was a tomboy. I hardly think of it. I buy things to wear that fit my body. My body has changed with time and my clothing has taken on more of a generic, economical purpose. Very little to do with projecting an image.
I see to it that I'm clean, that's about all I can say for myself. Nothing to write home about, just a body.
I don't really get what all the fuss is about, but that's just me. I sometimes fell like I don't live in my body. I live in my mind.


Same...


I see what has been written here and apparently agreed to by. PePe but the real issue , if it was my situation
Personally , what if many days , I felt as if I was going outta my mind , living in society as it is ?
Friggin “A” keeping perspective these days on the bigger issues like these would be mind boggling .
Not to mention the rest of the stuff people have live through. Kudos to those whom can keep their perspective.


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15 Dec 2022, 9:33 pm

Pepe wrote:
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The thing is Pepe, it's not our place to judge anyone's experience but our own.


"Circumcision" "walked" away from the actual discussion, so your comment is a non-sequitur if you were referring to that. ;)

I made no comment about transgender cosmetic surgery.
I am sitting on the fence atm. 8)

I merely said I don't understand why someone would feel suicidal.
There was no judgment in my statement.



I've found that I can go through the motions (do the things perceived as kind) even if I don't understand. And I really hope they don't ask me if I understand, because I would have to admit that I don't. My husband always says, "if you can't help someone, at least don't hurt them." I can do that.

I think of genitals as mechanical. Mine work, so I'll keep them. That's all I think about them. My grandad always used to scream out when he sat on his own balls, so I thought it was good not to have balls because who wants to sit on them? In general, genitals are a nuisance. Clothes are a nuisance, hair is a nuisance. I would like to be completely bald, with nothing anywhere.


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15 Dec 2022, 10:18 pm

When I was a kid I wanted to be a boy. I often wore boy's clothes.

I've always found I get along better with males, although this is not always the case of course but most of my friends are males.

I've always been a tomboy. I don't wear skirts, and I only wear dresses for formal social occasions just so I don't feel plain. But I'd love to wear a suit and tie if I had an office job.
I work in a bus garage with mostly men, and I don't mind getting dirty.

I don't wear much make-up.

I'm still a woman though, because of my female genitals. Also I do have a lot of women's traits, like talking about feelings, gossiping, reading mainstream women's magazines, liking clothes shopping, admiring clothes and handbags, being more emotional than logical, thinking more of other people than myself, enjoying drama and romance movies/books, and probably more that I can't think of.

I don't feel like a brain floating inside a meatbag. I feel like a human with very strong feelings and emotions and thoughts and a desire to be like everyone else.


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16 Dec 2022, 11:10 am

Joe90 wrote:
When I was a kid I wanted to be a boy. I often wore boy's clothes.

I've always found I get along better with males, although this is not always the case of course but most of my friends are males.

I've always been a tomboy. I don't wear skirts, and I only wear dresses for formal social occasions just so I don't feel plain. But I'd love to wear a suit and tie if I had an office job....

I don't feel like a brain floating inside a meatbag. I feel like a human with very strong feelings and emotions and thoughts and a desire to be like everyone else.


Same here about most of that, except I can't remember ever wanting to be a boy. So because of how I dressed- practically, no jewellery, not much make up, short hair etc.- people assumed from adolescence that I was a lesbian. Talk about presumptuous. They were so shocked when I started going out with boys and then married one of them and had a child. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Do you get that attitude, Joe90? I mean people assuming you are gay because of how you dress? It is so ridiculous isn't it.

I am not sure if I feel human or not. I don't think so, because every human I know is very different from me, there is no one like me and I never fit in, anywhere. I'm not sure I want to be human anyway. They seem like a spiteful, aggressive bunch of people who always push me away and don't help me when I'm struggling. I've tried so hard to be friendly, kind, helpful but they generally just exclude me or make fun of me.

I often wonder if autistic people are just another branch of homo sapien and just have different brains to the general type of homo sapien.


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16 Dec 2022, 11:22 am

I've known many girls and women who don't put on makeup, and get all gussied up, and all that crap-----yet they seemed to me to be fully girls and women.

A woman who knows how to put together a dresser is just as much a woman as a woman who knows all the Laws of Etiquette.



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16 Dec 2022, 11:23 am

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I've known many girls and women who don't put on makeup, and get all gussied up, and all that crap-----yet they seemed to me to be fully girls and women.

A woman who knows how to put together a dresser is just as much a woman as a woman who knows all the Laws of Etiquette.


You are wise enough not to judge though. I just got judged by idiots who thought 'a woman who doesn't dress up must be a lesbian and we must make fun of her.' Yawn.


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16 Dec 2022, 11:31 am

Yeah...know what you mean.

The prejudiced viewpoint is in the minority----but it seems to be in the majority because negative emotions are more often expressed in real life, and on the Internet, than positive emotions.

Just like the vast majority of newspaper articles deal with the negative. "Positive" doesn't sell papers, or obtain "views."



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16 Dec 2022, 11:33 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Yeah...know what you mean.

The prejudiced viewpoint is in the minority----but it seems to be in the majority because negative emotions are more often expressed on the Internet than positive emotions.


No this was in real life when I was young, not on the internet. That would have been the 1980s and 90s.


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