Zelenskyy's meeting with Trump, Vance goes very badly

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Yesterday, 7:24 pm

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Who is Zelenskyy a puppet for? That is a good question, one with no definitive answer. Some believe it is intelligence community such as CIA, MI6, and/or Mossad. Others believe it is a global 'shadow government'. Some even believe it is Israel because of Zelenskyy being Jewish.


So basically, you're claiming he's the puppet of some undefined "them" and we're supposed to believe that claim without any evidence, just conspiratorial vibes.


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Yesterday, 9:01 pm

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Just whose puppet is Zelensky supposed to be? And just how is he supposed to be corrupt?
NATO the tool of western elites? Evidence please.
The Joe Biden the right has conjured up for the sake of political gain bears little resemblance to the real man. Rumors that he took advantage of Ukraine are just that: only rumors. I seriously doubt he's the money grubbing monster that Putin or Trump fit better with.
Putin wants more than just Ukraine's mineral wealth. He is hellbent on rebuilding the Russian Empire, which means gobbling up the former Soviet Republics.
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Who is Zelenskyy a puppet for? That is a good question, one with no definitive answer. Some believe it is intelligence community such as CIA, MI6, and/or Mossad. Others believe it is a global 'shadow government'. Some even believe it is Israel because of Zelenskyy being Jewish.





NATO is an alliance of Western nations, which means it is working for the leaders of those nations. These leaders made a verbal agreement Russia that NATO would not expand east, but soon broke that agreement. The US has had a long history of using the CIA and NATO to help cause regime change in many countries for decades.


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...The alliance, after all, was created in the aftermath of World War II to meet specific regional and situational strategic challenges posed by the Soviet Union. So long as it stayed within those original parameters and geographic limits, it successfully deterred the threat of Soviet expansionism in Europe.

However, as NATO’s mission devolved and lost its focus after the end of the Cold War, it has become increasingly apparent that the alliance has shed its defensive basis and been reconceived as an organization whose primary directive is to expand America’s sphere of influence globally through the continuous encroachment on various regional powers’ more immediate spheres of interest. NATO’s rhetoric and actions — especially since its intervention in Yugoslavia in 1999 — signal an intentional strategic shift toward adopting a globalized agenda, thereby facilitating its transition to become the global military arm for the U.S.-led liberal international order. Ironically, this rather aggressive and maximalist reorientation also puts America’s core national interests at risk. This systematic push for subordinating the strategic autonomy of NATO’s relatively powerful members to Washington’s priorities is often achieved through a neo-Wilsonian approach. This approach instrumentalizes the nationalism of smaller states to justify intervention abroad, diluting a more robust idea of American national interest here at home. The national self-determination of smaller states outside NATO is utilized to guilt and unify the alliance behind the U.S. foreign policy establishment’s priorities. In the process, this approach undermines the agency, sovereignty, and foreign policy of many allied states, not to mention those of the American people.

NATO’s new raison d’etre has thus become the global defense of smaller faultline nation-states — which are not party to the alliance — from revisionist great powers that dare to challenge U.S. global hegemony by insisting on their own historical sphere of interest. This is especially questionable in a world moving towards multipolarity and away from the stark binaries propagated by those who defend permanent U.S.-centered alliance networks using ideological frameworks and Cold War logic.

Given its highly bureaucratic and top-down structure, NATO displays intense disapprobation of member states that attempt to assert their own interests. This often occurs when member states seek new minilateral security arrangements with countries outside the alliance or even work together to sidestep the alliance and create more localized alternative arrangements.1 Such diplomatic and strategic maneuvers are particularly obstructed when their aims contradict NATO’s institutional agenda.




I suspect there is no definite explanation for whom Zelensky is a puppet for because he isn't.
Sure, Ukraine is corrupt and dirty. But so is Russia. And so are state governments in the United States, such as Illinois and Louisiana. That doesn't detract from the heroism displayed by Zelensky and his people.
As I've stated already, I can see the logic in NATO expanding eastward, as Russia's neighbors have every reason to fear Putin's imperialistic ambitions. Sure, NATO promised Russia not to expand eastward, but that was before Russia was taken over by an oligarchical kleptocracy headed up by a soulless KGB spymaster with designs not only to rebuild the Russian Empire, but also to punish the west - in particular America - for the collapse of the Soviet Union.


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Yesterday, 10:14 pm

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Biden and his cronies were more than happy to send US taxpayer money to Ukraine, rumor has long been that they only sent a fraction of those funds to Ukraine and funneled the rest into their hidden stashes.

Rumor is that these rumors are fabricated and spread as part of a Russian desinformation campaign.


Rumor is that DOGE is on the hunt and will find out.

Joe Biden and his family have long been suspected and accused of sending American aide money to countries, after they agreed to pay kickbacks to the family through Hunter. Rumor has it Joe sent aide $$$ to Zelenskyy/Ukraine with exactly the same expectations, which were fulfilled.

Rumor has it that the way Hunter got through to Zelenskyy was cocaine, both love it. Rumor has it that they got Boris Johnson to convince Zelenskyy to not accept a peace deal and keep the war going. Why was simple, war is money, huge money for the war industry.


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Yesterday, 10:23 pm

Trump orders pause on military aid to Ukraine in the wake of last week's Oval Office clash with Zelenskyy

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The Trump administration is pausing military aid to Ukraine, according to two U.S. officials, following last week's public clash between President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in the Oval Office.

“The president has been clear that he is focused on peace. We need our partners to be committed to that goal as well," a White House official said Monday. "We are pausing and reviewing our aid to ensure that it is contributing to a solution.”

Asked Monday about pausing military aid to Ukraine, House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., told reporters, “That’s his decision,” referring to Trump.

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, criticized the move.

“This is a critical time for Ukraine, and I managed the Ukraine supplemental last year that provided additional help to Ukraine, and I do not think we should be pausing our efforts,” Collins said.

Before plans of the pause became public, Senate Republicans had expressed hope that a deal could still be reached to continue U.S. assistance to Ukraine and facilitate a peace deal with Russia.


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Yesterday, 10:41 pm

that evil despicable orange turncoat bastard.



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Yesterday, 10:57 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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Who is Zelenskyy a puppet for? That is a good question, one with no definitive answer. Some believe it is intelligence community such as CIA, MI6, and/or Mossad. Others believe it is a global 'shadow government'. Some even believe it is Israel because of Zelenskyy being Jewish.


So basically, you're claiming he's the puppet of some undefined "them" and we're supposed to believe that claim without any evidence, just conspiratorial vibes.


No, I'm saying he is a puppet of one or more groups, but there isn't enough evidence to definitively prove who is controlling him. History has shown that one of the intelligence agencies is most likely the one pulling his strings. The CIA has long been suspected of having a very strong presence in Ukraine during Zelenskyy regime for some reason. Control over who has access to Ukrainian resources is the general theory as to why, but only the CIA and whoever is directing them knows for sure. Control over some of the rare earth minerals and other resources found in parts of Ukraine are of paramount importance to many as they are necessary for the construction and maintaining of server farms, super computers, and other AI systems type stuff.

Supposedly Poroshenko was trying, and somewhat succeeding in purging Ukrainian oligarchs from Ukraine. This obviously upset some very rich people, as he was allegedly trying to do this to regain Ukraine control over its national resources. If this were true, it would make sense to have the CIA manipulate another regime change and put up another comedian/actor to play leader. Enter Zelenskyy.


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Sounds like a lot of baseless conspiracy nonsense. Let us know when you have evidence to substantiate your claims, if you'd like them to be considered, until then it's just innuendo and hearsay from highly questionable sources.

Especially when you rely on linking to known scammers and disinfo peddlers like Patrick Bet-David. If all of your information comes from BS peddlers, it's more likely that you've been disinformed rather than that they're accidentally correct about this one thing despite a long track record of being wrong about practically everything.


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51 minutes ago

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funeralxempire wrote:
ShwaggyD wrote:
Who is Zelenskyy a puppet for? That is a good question, one with no definitive answer. Some believe it is intelligence community such as CIA, MI6, and/or Mossad. Others believe it is a global 'shadow government'. Some even believe it is Israel because of Zelenskyy being Jewish.


So basically, you're claiming he's the puppet of some undefined "them" and we're supposed to believe that claim without any evidence, just conspiratorial vibes.


No, I'm saying he is a puppet of one or more groups, but there isn't enough evidence to definitively prove who is controlling him. History has shown that one of the intelligence agencies is most likely the one pulling his strings. The CIA has long been suspected of having a very strong presence in Ukraine during Zelenskyy regime for some reason. Control over who has access to Ukrainian resources is the general theory as to why, but only the CIA and whoever is directing them knows for sure. Control over some of the rare earth minerals and other resources found in parts of Ukraine are of paramount importance to many as they are necessary for the construction and maintaining of server farms, super computers, and other AI systems type stuff.

Supposedly Poroshenko was trying, and somewhat succeeding in purging Ukrainian oligarchs from Ukraine. This obviously upset some very rich people, as he was allegedly trying to do this to regain Ukraine control over its national resources. If this were true, it would make sense to have the CIA manipulate another regime change and put up another comedian/actor to play leader. Enter Zelenskyy.



Or maybe Zelensky is just a Ukrainian patriot, standing up for his country without any prodding from foreign intelligence agencies.


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Zelensky is asking for permission to have the option to triggering mutually assured destruction
https://www.politico.eu/article/give-uk ... zelenskyy/

there are idiots in the EU who think its a good idea to hand over nuclear weapons to Zelensky. You will have to excuse the Indian media they aren't enamoured in joining the rush to destroy themselves in order to prop up a nationalist regime that happens to be anti-Russian.


Nationalist regime? That's Russia, not Ukraine. They just want to survive and not be a part of the Soviet Empire again.

You're forgetting what happened in 1994, when Ukraine gave away all their nuclear weapons (and it was the third nuclear power in the world) in exchange for its independence. The US and the Russian Federation promised to respect their sovereignty. What happened to their promise? This is what happens when you trust the Russians and the US, you get punished for trying to defend your territory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_a ... 20in%20the

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1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

— Memorandum on Security Assurances in Connection with Ukraine's Accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons[13]


Ok fair enough, but I prefer Ukraine not get re-armed with nuclear warheads for the safety of the entire planet. I am sure you agree with me.



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Ok fair enough, but I prefer Ukraine not get re-armed with nuclear warheads for the safety of the entire planet. I am sure you agree with me.


Why? Why is Ukraine somehow less trustworthy than France or Russia or Pakistan or Trumpistan?


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