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25 May 2008, 10:32 am

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This is a tough one. I make it a point to avoid attacking people on this forum on that basis. However, my observation is that blacks are disproportionately more retaliatory regarding Aspie traits. Aspies suffer more from the sense of entitlement the comes from "liberated" women which in a nutshell is "I can treat you like crap, but you have to respond only by smiling and taking it". I'm ok with limiting discussion in this area to how Aspies deal with life. I do have experiences I think others can learn from.

As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women. Am I somehow obligated to be around people more likely to make my life miserable? Am I somehow obliged to lie about my experiences or deny others the benefit of suffering less by knowing about what works for me? I thought freedom of conscience and opinion is part of American culture, or am I mistaken?

The forum rules say no racist rhetoric ("ugly colored women" and "that's just how colored people are" count as racist in my book). You can avoid whomever you don't want to deal with, but badmouthing them on this forum is inappropriate. Ultimately, alex and/or the mods (in this case MrMark) are responsible for determining what is and is not permissible here on WP, and you were told that your comments crossed the line. Please stop.


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25 May 2008, 10:33 am

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I already gave my reasons as to why I feel she did what she did. I might be wrong, am I? I haven't read much of the article or related news.

What had me state that was the need to compare it to racism. From what I can tell Autism doesn't discriminate based on color.

I'll agree that comparisons to racism are not very applicable here. That doesn't mean what she did was right. A problem student is NOT dealt with in this manner, even if they are a jerk. There are procedures in place for dealing with students who don't behave, and this isn't one of them.


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25 May 2008, 10:36 am

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There are procedures in place for dealing with students who don't behave, and this isn't one of them.


What was her excuse? Has it been revealed?


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25 May 2008, 10:44 am

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There are procedures in place for dealing with students who don't behave, and this isn't one of them.


What was her excuse? Has it been revealed?

I can't fathom any possible excuse for this type of behavior.


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25 May 2008, 10:48 am

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Obviously we do not have the whole story.

Why would this happen in the first place?

I wonder what the other side of the story was.


Why are you here? Every single post you make shows you have something against those that aren't considered normal. So, why are you here? To be a jerk?



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25 May 2008, 10:52 am

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I can't fathom any possible excuse for this type of behavior.


What do you think of my explanation? Far off? Near on?


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25 May 2008, 10:54 am

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I can't fathom any possible excuse for this type of behavior.


What do you think of my explanation? Far off? Near on?

Vastly insufficient to justify this sort of flagrant abuse.


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25 May 2008, 11:00 am

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Vastly insufficient to justify this sort of flagrant abuse.


Wasn't an excuse, but an explanation.

It's the only conclusion that I could think of as to why she did it. What other reason would there be?


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25 May 2008, 11:03 am

oscuria wrote:
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Vastly insufficient to justify this sort of flagrant abuse.


Wasn't an excuse, but an explanation.

It's the only conclusion that I could think of as to why she did it. What other reason would there be?




I had teachers that didn't understand why I didn't speak and flat out didn't like me from the start who played the same games so even though I'm trying to see why she would do it, I don't really think she was trying to be helpful.



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25 May 2008, 11:05 am

oscuria wrote:
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Vastly insufficient to justify this sort of flagrant abuse.


Wasn't an excuse, but an explanation.

It's the only conclusion that I could think of as to why she did it.

OK, and? That doesn't exactly exculpate her from responsibility for her actions. She should not be working around children if this is how she responds to problems.

I frankly don't really give a damn why this happened, what's important is that it happened and children were emotionally damaged. That should not be condoned, excused, or explained. It should be punished and prevented.


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25 May 2008, 11:10 am

What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.


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25 May 2008, 11:15 am

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What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


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25 May 2008, 11:19 am

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oscuria wrote:
What punishment do you have in mind?


Eh, I tend to believe the child will outgrow this eventually. He is only 5. I don't remember much of the crap that occurred when I was 5, and the things that I do I shrug off now.

I've already specified that. She should be fired, and should not be working around children again. Ever. Also, there should be arrangements for this kid to go to a school where he will not be abused by his teacher.

Well, I doubt you ever had something like this happen to you. I've been bullied a lot in the past, and I have been able to (mostly) move past it, but then I was never subjected to this kind of treatment from my teachers. The fact that the child now screams at the sight of the school building, even when just driving past, is an indication that some harm has been done. Also, as I said, the other children have been taught that it is acceptable to treat other people in this manner, which it is not. The kid who was voted out isn't the only one to have been harmed by this teacher.


I don't think the kids learned anything from it except that voting out a kid from participating made a classmate cry, and that their teacher is now in trouble.


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25 May 2008, 11:52 am

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Why are you here? Every single post you make shows you have something against those that aren't considered normal. So, why are you here? To be a jerk?


Your words, not mine. I'm not here to vindicate anybody. I'm not here to villify anybody. I merely respond to the stories with the appropriate amount of self-censorship. When I feel strongly about something, generally I wil speak my mind in a manner appropriate to the rules of WrongPlanet. I make no apology for having unpopular opinions. I am not necessarily here to toe the line of popular opinion.



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25 May 2008, 12:08 pm

I didn't know public schools had a democratic disciplinary system...wierd.

But seriously, if the child was being a problem in class, why not just put him in time out? Or sent home? or (in the worst case) expelled?

Maybe the teacher thought that public humiliation was the only thing that was going to deter his unacceptable behavior? I know when I was a kid, any kind of potential humiliation was a good deterrent for me.



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25 May 2008, 12:34 pm

I agree with Orwell, she should be fired and never be allowed to teach again. That was truly disgusting; not only did she traumatize that poor boy she also basically insinuated to the other kids that excluding people that are "different" is OK. Tyranny of the Majority is NOT Democracy.

I am completely pro-union, with the teachers "unions" being the big exception. They have evolved into seniority-based cabals that protect mediocre veteran teachers from being replaced from good young teachers.


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