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11 Dec 2008, 2:40 pm

Jesus will never return for one simple reason...
If someone came up to you "claiming" to be "the Son of God" You'd think that guy has serious problems, wouldn't you? And so will many many people

Who is being worshipped, Jesus or God?
Why is God assumed to be male?
Why does Jesus have to be male?
What does the bible say about dinosaurs?
What year is it now, truthfully? It can not be 2008. At the beginning of time, they never stated it was going be xxxxBC



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11 Dec 2008, 4:31 pm

His real birthdate is old news. :lol:


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11 Dec 2008, 4:39 pm

Keith wrote:
Who is being worshipped, Jesus or God?

You're supposed to worship God Himself, not Jesus (that's not to say Jesus isn't imporatant).

Keith wrote:
Why is God assumed to be male?

Probably because the Bible referes to God as 'He'.

Keith wrote:
Why does Jesus have to be male?

Because he was male. That's like saying 'why did King Henry VIII have to be male?'.

Keith wrote:
What does the bible say about dinosaurs?

What have dinosaurs got to do with anything?

The Bible says several things about dinosaurs.
Dinosaurs and the Bible

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What year is it now, truthfully? It can not be 2008. At the beginning of time, they never stated it was going be xxxxBC

I don't understand. Of course they didn't count down the years until 'AD'. I'm not sure exactly what age the earth is but it is about 6400 years old, going by the Bible (I think more accurately it's about 6425 years old or thereabouts - I haven't worked it out myself).


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11 Dec 2008, 4:46 pm

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I don't understand. Of course they didn't count down the years until 'AD'. I'm not sure exactly what age the earth is but it is about 6400 years old, going by the Bible (I think more accurately it's about 6425 years old or thereabouts - I haven't worked it out myself).


do people actually believe this nonsense?

the earth is millions of years old, science proves this.


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11 Dec 2008, 5:41 pm

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Greyhound wrote:
I don't understand. Of course they didn't count down the years until 'AD'. I'm not sure exactly what age the earth is but it is about 6400 years old, going by the Bible (I think more accurately it's about 6425 years old or thereabouts - I haven't worked it out myself).


do people actually believe this nonsense?

the earth is millions of years old, science proves this.

Using techniques such as carbon dating which makes a lot assumptions.


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11 Dec 2008, 6:13 pm

Jesus is my landscaper and I think he said he was born in May when I hired him.


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11 Dec 2008, 10:46 pm

familiar_stranger wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
I don't understand. Of course they didn't count down the years until 'AD'. I'm not sure exactly what age the earth is but it is about 6400 years old, going by the Bible (I think more accurately it's about 6425 years old or thereabouts - I haven't worked it out myself).


do people actually believe this nonsense?

the earth is millions of years old, science proves this.


Its probably a halfway point. Translation can do odd things to math. Besides, we are considering the work of people who had not the scientific ken to accurately judge the age of the world here. They werent exactly s**t hot at maps either. Other texts are taken as historical fact, despite having obvious errors, because the errors are generally reasonable assumptions given the date they were written. Example: Herodotus the greek did some pretty accurate maps of his area, but got vague and added oceans where there should have been Asia and Africa etc. The odd dating in the bible could well just be a "here be dragons" thing.


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12 Dec 2008, 2:05 am

I heard September from one source. As for Christmas being place in December, it was placed there because around the same time, pagans celebrated the winter solious, and to attract the pagans to Christianity, they placed Christmas close to the winter solious.


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12 Dec 2008, 5:47 am

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My birthday is celebrated on April 18th but I was actually born October 9nth.
.....Why????



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12 Dec 2008, 6:32 am

how would anyone know when he was born?
in a scripture class, i asked a priest at one of the schools i went to "what was jesus's last name" ? (like "jesus mcdonald")
he said that my question was stupid and that jesus did not have a last name.

well if they do not know jesus's surname, then how do they know they are talking about the right one?
there were "jesus's" all over the place back then, so how can historians narrow it down without his surname?

maybe he did not have a surname because his mother's husband was not his father, so he could not take his surname.
whatever, it still remains that in a sea of generic "jesii" ("jesus's"), one would have trouble resolving the right one.

and what happened after the resurrection? he rose from the dead and went where?
did he die again straight after (which would be a possible gas expulsion from a bloating corpse that could look like momentary animation (i saw it with a cow on our farm once. it looked like it was kicking as the high pressure gasses blew out a plug in it's throat and escaped.))

the priest was angry at the question and i was punished but the question remains.

so when jesus awoke from the dead, he just got up and went off and lived a non famous life from then on did he?
what age was he when he died for the second time?


i never read the bible because it is crushingly difficult to get around the parables, and also it bores me.
so i guess there may be an answer in it. but the priests at that private school never answered my questions and they got angry and punished me for thinking that way (the class used to laugh).
i was expelled after only 7 months from that school because i did not fit in, but where did he go?

i think i have not addressed the topic. sorry



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12 Dec 2008, 6:39 am

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and what happened after the resurrection? he rose from the dead and went where?


Well, according to Christians after a few days wandering around he went straight up to heaven, body & soul.



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12 Dec 2008, 7:41 am

ducasse wrote:
b9 wrote:
and what happened after the resurrection? he rose from the dead and went where?


Well, according to Christians after a few days wandering around he went straight up to heaven, body & soul.




why would he wander around? was he in a daze?
and how could his body go to heaven?
it is just trash if he died again.
(there can be no passage of mass into a "afterlife" where separateness is non existant, and identity of isolated objects is also non existant.
there can be no retention of individuality after the threshold of the veil of duality is crossed.)

and why was there no frenzied crowd rejoicement that followed him every second after his resurrection? i mean he had the hopes of so many people riding on him, surely they would have been very astounded when he rose from the dead and there would have been almost hysterical relief at the proof that death can not be.
yet he just "wandered" around for a few days and then trotted off with no fanfare or anything ?.
hard to fathom.



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12 Dec 2008, 8:04 am

b9 wrote:
ducasse wrote:
b9 wrote:
and what happened after the resurrection? he rose from the dead and went where?


Well, according to Christians after a few days wandering around he went straight up to heaven, body & soul.




why would he wander around? was he in a daze?
and how could his body go to heaven?
it is just trash if he died again.
(there can be no passage of mass into a "afterlife" where separateness is non existant, and identity of isolated objects is also non existant.
there can be no retention of individuality after the threshold of the veil of duality is crossed.)

and why was there no frenzied crowd rejoicement that followed him every second after his resurrection? i mean he had the hopes of so many people riding on him, surely they would have been very astounded when he rose from the dead and there would have been almost hysterical relief at the proof that death can not be.
yet he just "wandered" around for a few days and then trotted off with no fanfare or anything ?.
hard to fathom.


It wasnt a major show. He revealed himself to a few, not many. He didnt literally wander about in a daze.. he was seen by several people in different places.

As for "no passage of mass..." look at who you are talking about. SON OF GOD. If anyone can defy physics, who is it going to be?


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12 Dec 2008, 8:33 am

Greyhound wrote:
familiar_stranger wrote:
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I don't understand. Of course they didn't count down the years until 'AD'. I'm not sure exactly what age the earth is but it is about 6400 years old, going by the Bible (I think more accurately it's about 6425 years old or thereabouts - I haven't worked it out myself).


do people actually believe this nonsense?

the earth is millions of years old, science proves this.

Using techniques such as carbon dating which makes a lot assumptions.


i was thinking more along the lines of evolution, if the earth was only six thousand years old everything that's happened on earth would have happened in that time, meaning we wouldn't be as we are today. dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago, does this mean they didn''t exist as the earth didn't?

listen to reason, please. there is evidence all over the world proving that the earth has been around for longer than six thousand years, as well as being around before humanity.


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12 Dec 2008, 9:31 am

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As for "no passage of mass..." look at who you are talking about. SON OF GOD. If anyone can defy physics, who is it going to be?


i can not see why it would be necessary to defy physics.
if one has to defy physics, then one is not being truthful.
his carcass did not enter an ethereal heaven i suspect.
there is no use for his mortal "image" to be carried on.

i am tired and i am going to go to sleep now (it is 1:35am) so i will not answer any more.
thanks.



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12 Dec 2008, 9:50 am

b9 wrote:
ducasse wrote:
b9 wrote:
and what happened after the resurrection? he rose from the dead and went where?


Well, according to Christians after a few days wandering around he went straight up to heaven, body & soul.




why would he wander around? was he in a daze?
and how could his body go to heaven?
it is just trash if he died again.
(there can be no passage of mass into a "afterlife" where separateness is non existant, and identity of isolated objects is also non existant.
there can be no retention of individuality after the threshold of the veil of duality is crossed.)

and why was there no frenzied crowd rejoicement that followed him every second after his resurrection? i mean he had the hopes of so many people riding on him, surely they would have been very astounded when he rose from the dead and there would have been almost hysterical relief at the proof that death can not be.
yet he just "wandered" around for a few days and then trotted off with no fanfare or anything ?.
hard to fathom.


You had to be there.