Baltimore: ALL Confederate Statues Have Now Been Removed

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Goes to show it's not actually taken seriously and is all just putting on a show like I said.

How dare we mock your sad attempts at pretending racism away.

I've spoken to significant numbers of American conservatives throughout my life. I've had customer service jobs where I dealt exclusively with American based customers. People loved to mention their political views, especially when Fox News was out again, or when we yet again stated we had no intention of carrying The Blaze.

The election of a black president isn't proof of a lack of racism in American society. Plenty of Americans voted against him, so this is a dishonest non-point to try to trot out.

Basically you're adopting the typical strategy of dismissing and invalidating claims because you don't personally share the experience. Ignoring other people's experiences doesn't make their experience change. As long as you choose to ignore these experiences your demands for proof will be little more than performance art.

Quite the contrary as you know, I pointed out how white left-wingers keep racism as much of a problem as possible to exploit it for political gain. You two yucking it up only confirmed to me that it's about putting on a show of crocodile tears.

The left seems to be the greater force in enabling racism since it needs to kept racism in full swing so that accusations against the right can carry the fullest impact.

It's a matter of a small segment of society being called everyone who is not left wing. There is a twofold hoped for effect in the left exploiting racism as a weapon. 1. Those who are not on the left being accused of being racist in order to stigmatize and ostracize them to the point where everyone is afraid to go against the left. 2. Convince everyone of color to only vote for left wing politicians.

You're twisting my words and assigning intent to them that clearly isn't there. For instance, I never claimed there was a "lack of racism in American society." And not choosing to ignore any "experiences. " What I am saying is that by politicizing the topic of racism you are only throwing fuel on the fire with accusations that it's "widespread, " and assigning the bulk of it American conservatives and Fox news viewers. (Sorry, your job at a call center dealing with Americans just isn't enough evidence to back up your claim.)

You're trying to insist that racism is a left-wing hoax to make right-wingers look bad and you wonder why you're being laughed at? Sorry man, your attempts to pretend away racism would be comedic gold if it wasn't for the sad fact that there's people who actually think that's a reasonable thing to say.







It's not twisting your words to point out that you and Ezra are trying to pretend that because you guys haven't personally experienced racism, it's not a problem. To be fair, I'm responding to both of you and there's things one of you has said that you haven't both said.

You can discount experiences that don't support your preferred understanding of reality, but somehow two white guys insisting racism isn't a problem doesn't seem likely to make it any less of a problem.

I get it, every single person who has experienced racism is lying to make conservatives look bad because they couldn't possibly be telling the truth if their experiences don't match yours. Trotting out the same tired arguments as the 'I'm totally not a racist but...' crowd doesn't actually support your claims, but does make it appear as though you're part of that demographic. If you're interested in evidence, feel free to consult with the SPLC or other similar organizations, but I'm sure you'll have complaints about their facts too because they're not aligned with your agenda.

Yeah...we are getting nowhere. You've missed the point entirely, and continue to regurgitate the same talking points. You keep insisting that I've said racism is not a problem. It's obvious you have either reading comprehension issues or you just aren't interested in having a rational discussion outside the realm of politics.

I've just about had it with conversing with people who live inside a hyper-partisan political bubble. It's a waste of my time.

If you can't even take one small step in my direction, than I'm just wasting my time. In the end, we're all human beings -- not liberals, conservatives, this group or that group. f**k that s**t! Good luck with your crusade. All you're promoting is tribalism.

I'm not going to deny what I see in the sake of compromise. How much racism should society tolerate to avoid offending the feelings of white supremacists, white nationalists and their fellow travellers?

You see very little, unfortunately, especially when it comes to the core of the problem we're talking about. You are feeding the problem with the kind of rhetoric you're spreading here. I could spend multiple pages trying to explain it to you, but it's doubtful you'd understand.

Go on, if you're so much more informed than I am I'm sure whatever you'll have to say will be most insightful. The floor is yours...

You're trying to insist that racism is a left-wing hoax to make right-wingers look bad and you wonder why you're being laughed at? Sorry man, your attempts to pretend away racism would be comedic gold if it wasn't for the sad fact that there's people who actually think that's a reasonable thing to say.

My saying it's a problem and saying it's at a boiling point is hardly calling it a hoax, and you know that.

What I am saying is there are white left-wingers who try to keep the problem of racism as much of a problem as possible to exploit it for personal gain, and you know that too.

You shift gears between acting serious and yucking it up, because you know I am correct.

Nah, I wouldn't want to overwhelm you. I'll let what I've already said sink in.

The United Daughters of the Confederacy has lost a bid to put a Confederate monument back on the grounds of a North Carolina courthouse after county officials removed it.

WRAL reports Superior Court Judge Susan Bray issued the ruling Monday, more than a week after the monument was removed from the Chatham County Courthouse grounds.

he removal came months after Winston-Salem officials removed a Confederate statue from land there that had passed into private hands. Protesters have also torn down monuments at a Durham courthouse and on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.

The Alabama Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that the majority-black city of Birmingham violated a state law protecting Confederate monuments when it put plywood panels in front of a towering obelisk in a downtown park.

The all-Republican court reversed a circuit judge’s ruling that struck down Alabama’s 2017 law protecting Confederate monuments as an unconstitutional violation of the free speech rights of local communities. Justices directed the judge to instead enter an order declaring that Birmingham violated the 2017 Alabama Memorial Preservation Act, and to fine the city $25,000.

Alabama sued Birmingham in 2017 after municipal officials erected a wooden box obscuring the inscriptions on a 52-foot-tall (16-meter-tall) obelisk honoring Confederate veterans. Justices on Wednesday agreed with the attorney general’s office that the city had violated the 2017 law.

The 2017 Alabama Memorial Preservation Act prohibits relocating, removing, altering or renaming public buildings, streets and memorials that have been standing for more than 40 years. The legislation doesn’t specifically mention Confederate monuments, but it was enacted as some Southern states and cities began removing monuments and emblems of the Confederacy.

Jefferson County Circuit Judge Michael Graffeo ruled in January in favor of the city, which is more than 70% black. Striking down the law, Jefferson County Circuit Judge Michael Graffeo said it was indisputable that most citizens are “repulsed” by the memorial.

The state appealed, and the justices reversed the trial judge, ruling that a state law trumps a city action. Graffeo erred in concluding a local government was excused from the law because of a right to free speech, the top court said.

“Photographs of the monument included in the record taken before and after the placement of the plywood screen confirm that the 12-foot plywood screen around the base of the monument completely blocks the view of all inscriptions on the monument,” justices wrote.

Cleaning crews for the city of Charlottesville were out on Monday morning to clear the latest vandalism to the city's statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee.
Graffiti around the base of the state of Confederate General Robert E. Lee in Charlottesville | Credit: WVIR

Staff with the Departments of Parks and Recreation was at Market Street Park, working to scrub the paint off the pedestal of monument.

On Thanksgiving, around 8 p.m., police were called out to Market Street Park for a report of vandalism.

The pedestal of the Lee statue had been spray painted with "Impeach Trump” and “This Is Racist”.

The statue of Confederate Gen. Thomas “Stonewall" Jackson, in Court Square Park, was also spray painted with “This Is Racist” on both sides of its pedestal at some point during the weekend.

Tarps were used to cover the graffiti over the Thanksgiving holiday weekend.

It was just the latest in a recent spree of vandalism to both the Lee statue and the Jackson statue, both at the center of a long-ongoing lawsuit after the city voted to remove them in 2017.

As a part of that lawsuit, a judge concluded that both statues are war memorials under Virginia law, so vandalism of the statues is a serious offense, carrying up to a year in jail or even up to five years in prison, depending on the value of damage to the statue.

Granite has also been chipped away at the decorative pedestals of both statues in late October and midway through October, when a piece of paper with "1619" was taped over a sign in front of the statue too. That followed a similar incident in September when granite features were chipped away.

At that point, the noses were removed from two angelic icons on the base of the Jackson statue. Some of the toes on the female symbol had also been chipped off, while the sword in the hand of the male angel symbol appeared to have been broken.

Just days before that vandalism, someone spray-painted '1619' on the statues, referencing the year the first slaves came to Virginia. That was quickly scrubbed off the day afterward.

The Charlottesville Police Department is investigating all the cases of vandalism.

A judge has prevented the city's efforts to remove both statues amid ongoing litigation.

I disagree with your premise and I've been laughing when you do things like comment on knowing what I think or attempts at (seeming to) suggest that the problem is largely or entirely because of the left notices it and comments on it, or that somehow this is worse than the normalizing of it that's been occurring on the right. I struggle to find your arguments credible based on the way they appear to be framed.

As long as the right continues to ignore this they're going to continue to turn off minority voters which seems likely result in a negative feedback loop because it will make it harder for the GOP to avoid being associated with white identity politics. Blaming the left will not resolve this.