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https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-preventi ... t-cambodia

https://www.hmd.org.uk/learn-about-the- ... portation/

You're right that not all ethnic cleansing amounts to literal genocide, but let's not act like it's perfectly acceptable when mass extermination isn't the primary goal.

Especially when the threat of violence is used to ensure the population being forced from their homes leaves and when they'll be subjected to deadly violence if they ever return.

I don't see mass deportation happening currently, considering that most Gazans can't even leave the Gaza strip.

Therefore: it is unlikely that in a war situation which in February 2024 will be 10 years after its actual start, there is valid news that does not involve censorship or mystification.


In that year in our Italian airspace (my island is an important NATO base and base of the alliance in which we firmly believe, I write about a large base because you can't imagine what happens here, simulated joint wars with innovative weapons and more that they use 3/ 4 of our airspace sometimes and permanently have the right to dedicated territories to *Defend ourselves*;

this must be written because NATO is fundamental, and Italy supports the agreements without hesitation, fully respecting them).

In that year a Russian MIG plane with insignia I could read came alongside me on a main road.

I considered this impossible, but it happened, and also elsewhere towards Spain and beyond, much further and not only 1 MIG carried out the exact same provocative actions: they could have shot it down and they didn't, but only controlled it.
To avoid consequences: a lot of prudence and both logical and practical sense and responsibility were used.


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Having written this and being part of a NATO alliance as an Italian, I rate it as very possible when they wrote to the New York Times.

Nord Stream 2 had not even been inaugurated.


But both, according to official sources, are not working.
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I would like to point out that before trying to understand who created the destructive actions, a question must be asked about the reason for these...

And the reason why is easy to understand, just consider who would benefit from that gas pipeline and who invested economic and political resources to ensure that it could exist in the future (and it is a nation "Our ally" which I don't write about, but it can be deduced easily)

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I hope to be able to translate the article from the N.Y.Times.

Sorry, the dating is missing. "In the last few hours, several pieces of news have emerged on what could have caused the large gas leaks that occurred at the end of September from the Nord Stream 1 gas pipelines and Nord Stream 2, built to bring Russian gas to Europe and which pass through the Baltic Sea to reach Germany: for months it had been assumed that the losses had been caused by sabotage carried out by Russia (there was however no evidence) , but the latest revelations seem to suggest something different.


It was immediately hypothesized that the leaks had been caused by two large underwater explosions: at the time of the explosions the two gas pipelines were both closed due to Western sanctions on Russia (the Nord Stream 2 had not even been inaugurated), and the damage caused by the sabotage had made them unusable.


According to an article published on Tuesday by the New York Times, based on the declarations of some anonymous US intelligence sources, the sabotage of the gas pipelines would have been carried out by a pro-Ukraine group composed of Ukrainian and possibly Russian citizens, who allegedly planted explosive charges on gas pipelines. At the moment American intelligence excludes that the Ukrainian government or the army commands had a role in the sabotage or were aware of it.


According to what intelligence sources told the New York Times, the person who planted the charges on September 26th was It was a group of expert divers, who however were not affiliated with any army or government agency, although it cannot be ruled out that they had military training in the past.

This information is the result of a preliminary investigation and therefore must be taken with a certain caution, but also on Tuesday an article was published by the German newspaper Zeit, in collaboration with the public televisions ARD and SWR, which would seem to support this thesis.

The article cites some evidence collected by investigators in Germany who are investigating the matter, according to which the sabotage was carried out by a team of six people (five men and one woman, whose nationality is unknown) who arrived near the gas pipelines on the night between 26 and 27 September on board a yacht rented by a company based in Poland, owned by two Ukrainian citizens.

On board the yacht there would have been a captain, two divers, two assistants and a doctor. According to German investigators, the yacht would have set sail on September 6 from Rostock, a German port on the Baltic Sea, and the explosive material would have been delivered in the previous days by truck. Investigators say they identified the yacht in the following days first in Wieck auf dem Darß, a German port city about 50 kilometers from Rostock, and then on the Danish island of Christiansø.


After September 26th the yacht would have been returned to the charterer, and according to what was written in the article the investigators would have found traces of explosives on board. However, the article underlines another thing: although the investigators suspect Ukrainian involvement in the sabotage, they do not it can be ruled out that it was a false flag operation, i.e. an operation organized by Russians "under a false flag" to place the blame on Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government has denied any involvement through Mykhailo Podolyak, advisor to President Volodymyr Zelensky, who on Tuesday evening said he had no information in the matter. There are currently three ongoing investigations into the matter, conducted by Germany, Denmark and Sweden.


In recent months, various theories had circulated about the cause of the losses, and in addition to Russia, the Ukrainian, American and British governments had also been accused of sabotage, without evidence. In the last month, a theory supported by the well-known American investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, Pulitzer Prize winner in 1970 but highly criticized in recent years for having often exposed conspiracy theories, contradictory and based on insufficiently solid information, which he had supported in his newsletter, had been widely circulated. that the sabotage would have been organized in collaboration by the United States and Norway: his thesis has been widely criticized and judged by many to be unfounded, also because it is based on a single anonymous source.


" (As you will notice: fontio, anonime and the whole article it provides effective clarity on nothing but presupposes facts. The only nation that often appears in this is Germany that investigates. The Germans pay a lot of attention to this gas pipeline: does it seem normal to you? As our allies?) Also look *Who increased imports before war and *who has decreased them.

The logic: if a nation increases imports by helping to build it...who knows why it does so...

I'll tell you what's been happening all over Italy for weeks.

The demonstrations are all in favor of the Palestinians.

"The slogans are: Israel Fascist terrorist state"


You will see Palestinian flags, but in the crowd most of the protesters are Italian.

For Italy it is not an Israel-Hamas war as many write, but between Israel and the Palestinians.

Hamas is the fighting side, and if that wasn't there there would be exactly another.

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Be careful because in that condition the Palestinians have been suffering segregation for several decades, they are exhausted, now they find themselves in a horrendous war.

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I dissociate myself from taking positions that involve violence, wars, and mass purges.


Two peoples are massacring each other.

One of these has overwhelming military and economic power.

I would not want this because in a second phase this will lead to the total elimination of Israel.

My feeling is that they are using them to annihilate both in two phases: first the Palestinians, then Israel afterwards.

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This happened already two weeks ago throughout Italy.
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The Italian boys who speak say beautiful words of peace, it is not a demonstration against others.

But there are them everywhere in every Italian city.

*There are many videos of demonstrations if you search you will find them.

Yes this relates directly back to the thread about "Israel Hamas War Blowback On American, European Jews". Demonstrators scream about Jews committing genocide against Palestinians while dreaming of genocide against Jews. Ironic how a people who recently elected a fascist government are running around accusing Jews of being fascists.

The Jerusalem Post and the Times of Israel are both publishing a (too small) poll that was in the Al Akhbar (a semi-tabloid based in Beirut?). Nether publication links the actual article or the poll, so it’s hard to say how accurate it is, especially given how biased the JP and ToI have been in recent weeks. The comment section of the quoted article shows the influence such reports can have on people. It’s f*****g disturbing.

If the numbers are accurate for argument’s sake and say something about the population overall, who would approve of Israel demonstrating the same behavior towards Lebanon, with the US’s backing, if Hezbollah carried out the terrorist attack or if they got significantly more involved in the current conflict? Most people in Lebanon would allegedly support it, right? The reasons why they’d support it (including biased media coverage, religious indoctrination, etc.) wouldn’t matter according to those who are trying to justify the invasion and civilian deaths collateral damage in Gaza. It also wouldn’t matter that not ALL people support it. The majority is all that matters, right?

(Yeah, only a third of people polled supported joining Hamas but 80% were for the terrorist attacks, allegedly.)

https://m.jpost.com/middle-east/article-770959

The title of the related ToI article is deceptive since the survey only involves 400 people: “80% of people in Lebanon support Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacres in Israel, poll finds”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/80-of-peo ... finds/amp/

An unrelated opinion piece published in the JP recently:

“IDF soldiers follow in the footsteps of Abraham in ethical war - opinion”

https://m.jpost.com/opinion/article-770381

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Now , we have documents in Congress .. sending several BILLIONS OF DOLLARS in aide to Israel again,(more money). It is beyond my understanding , why at this point in ( what appears to be) genocide . It appears that based on all i have seen on CBS news broadcast ,local coverage. That they really do not! need more support .
And as a independant ? Country . And do not think we need anymore puppet States with the USA .,
These funds need to be kept in the USA to keep up with our own major issues that are destroying our country from the inside out . These people have not first hand witnessed the poverty and extreme low income people trying to survive.. People are dying here as well . And i still see pop up free food pantries. occuring in upper middle class suburbs. And our media here draws all attn. to our older and newest Ukrainian puppet states .And subsequent funding.
I mean Billions of dollars .. ...There are many many people here whom 20 bucks would make a huge difference in their lives. . And there is no broadcasts about people whom actually live on the street here.
(((And i mean the older and the disabled ,moms with children,not the ones whom are doing drugs as a lifestyle and actually think it is an adventure to be on the sttreet. ))).and often do property crimes to support their habit and give actual panhandlers,in need a bad reputation.. ..Meanwhile am not trying to take away from the activities in that region.. but even a remote sense of balance would be nice considering affairs here in the USA.
But with the USA involvement in Mid-East..we are literally inviting these other so called terrorist group to come here to help their cause, due to our supporting ""killing them "" overseas...

You'd think with modern weaponry & satellites and all sorts of technology that Israel and it's allies could identify hamas targets and wipe them off the face of the earth with surgical precision.

That'd be a lot more acceptable warfare. Leave civilians alone and just delete all the terrorists from the simulation.

It's highly unlikely that the state of Israel would be charged with genocide because that will be hard to prove (you'd have to prove that they have the intention of or planned to wipe out the population of Gaza). At most, it would be accused of imposing collective punishment.

They do technically have surgical precision but the Gaza strip is so densely populated that it's still impossible to have any airstrikes at all without collateral damage. Also, they are probably trying collapse parts of the Hamas tunnels which are underneath all the main buildings. So, that cannot be done with airstrikes without damaging the structures on the surface. That's probably why they tried to get people in Gaza city to evacuate to the south, to limit the number of casualties.

Calling it "collateral damage" doesn't really do it justice since most people who are being killed are civilians, not that I care for that dehumanizing term anyway. It sounds like something one would say if they got into a minor car accident/fender bender. "Yeah, there was some collateral damage to the bumper and hood, but it's still drivable."

Doesn't the USA have some MOAB bunker busters or something to crush tunnels with?

Seems like if they know what their goal is that if they wanted to achieve it in short order they could just get on with it and do it, but that things get prolonged for profit purposes.. can't just sign one cheque over to the bunker buster bomb people - not when every other corporation in the military industrial complex is standing there with their hands out waiting for a years+ worth of transfer payments. Gotta keep the war machine going instead of just getting the job done and calling it a day I guess.

Obviously, mass deportation isn't happening right this minute. But the reason we are discussing it is because Misslizard, here, posted a link to the article Zionist Think Tank Publishes Blueprint for Gaza Ethnic Cleansing by Kit Klarenberg, The Grayzone, October 25, 2023; original article here.

I keep hearing in the news and such, that hamas have like tunnels under gaza or something, but Israel keeps bombing civilian areas to maybe hit those but like with no regard to civilian casualties. Why can't they find a way to infiltrate the tunnels and send troops into them, to stop hamas in the tunnels, instead of shooting through civilians to get to them? via bombing civilian structures to hopefully hit the tunnels allegedly underneath.

High risk of injuries or fatalities to soldiers or they try to go into the tunnels.

Very low risk of loss of life from the Israeli side by dropping bombs to bust the tunnels.

Pretty simple strategy.