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Christians are notorious for committing hate crimes and inciting hate for the LGBT people. Who do you think hates LGBT folks the most in this country?
And it's official. You didn't read my post or watched the video I posted. I feel insulted and I will be ending this conversation with you.
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Really?
Do you have a shred of evidence to support that rather bald assertion?
Uh visagrunt, it's fairly obvious when the President of Egypt is a member of the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood....
The Egyptian government is behind both the protesters and the people shooting the protesters?
You do realize that the Egyptian Military and the Egyptian Civilian government apparently don't see eye to eye...
When you have the younger brother to the current leader of Al Qaeda in the demonstration on 9/11, among others. It seems fairly obvious that this was planned.
More importantly, I think people should ask themselves why is the Obama Administration lieing about what happened in Libya. People don't haul RPGs to a spontaneous demonstration (assuming there was a demonstration because that is now in doubt).
Something you all need to consider, unlike everyone posting here, many of these people don't even have a computer, let alone an internet connection. This all happened on 9/11/2012, 11 years to the day where there was the attacks on the twin towers.
You have Libyian officials saying they warned our government 3 days in advance that they thought something was afoot. The interm President of Libya, has basically accused the Obama Administration of lieing.
Somebody isn't telling the truth concerning the attack in Libya, and considering the descriptions of the attack, it sure looks like the Obama White House is lieing.
(Sigh) And why is the Obama administration lying this time?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Because having an ambassador killed on their watch because they weren't paying enough attention to what was going on overseas won't exactly help Obama's re-election chances...
I seriously doubt this would hurt Obama's chances for reelection, one way or the other, particularly since his opponent has foot-in-the-mouth disease.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Who is not lying?
On any given day there is someone seeking to do something, somewhere.
If anyone could make sense of the pattern of human behaviors, they would own Wall Street in a year.
Like Bender, I am a Trans Racist, "All humans are vastly inferior to robots."
So lets look at this story. An Egyptian who is now a Coptic Christian did something to be allowed into the United States, just as the old government fell, and the Coptics were known to be the British agents before.
So he did something to gain favor. As soon as he got to America he opened a lot of bank accounts using stolen names and social security numbers, and spent a few years in Federal Prison, but was not deported.
Getting out of jail he went directly into the movie business, funding a feature length sub B movie that no one would invest in. This is not cheap.
Then he claims to be from Israel, that he had hundreds of rich Jewish backers. All of his identities have the same mailing address, because he was too cheap to rent some private mail boxes.
He is on long term Federal Probation, when it all hits the fan he is masked, and taken to a safe house, by the forces of Law and Order, and now has vanished, with family, like the witness protection plan.
He posts a trailer on Utube, in Arabic, the same group the west has been supporting in Libya and Syria, attacks our Consulate, which makes as much sense as Charlie Manson and Helter Skelter, killing some B Movie people in Hollywood, to start a Black White race war.
So someone tells the Libyans, they warn the Consulate, and what the hell was he doing there at 10:00 at night? The place was supposed to be empty, the janitors had left, Libyan security had it covered, the Americans were supposed to be somewhere else.
It was planned, then a cowboy Consul and some Seals play OK Corral.
The job at that point was fall back to the safe house, and protect your people.
The American response is send in the Marines, which all the local governments have refused. They will provide security, an Embassy is not a Fort.
Meanwhile the news from Syria is the Free Army is now fighting from Turkey, having been driven out of Syria. The few remaining terrorists are being mopped up, the Iraq and Lebanon borders are closed, and anytime they show themselves, the neighbors call in an air strike.
When as per script the Consulate was overrun, captured, our Islamic Front for Jilhad was shocked to find the Ambassador, so instead of chopping off his head and carrying it through town, they rushed him to the hospital where locals tried to revive him for an hour and a half.
It was a bad day at black ops.
A local humor site, The People's Islamic Democratic Republic of Iran, has proposed a joint Iran-Saudi force to defend the Turkish Border. The Saudi's have not replied.
The Russian Navel Base at Taurus, is hosting a festival for the largest Orthodox Community outside of Mother Russia. The 600,000 Iraqi Christians living in Syria are invited. It is good to have friends.
Israel has shown through it's threats of making war on Iran, to have the jawbone of an ass.
Europe has just been overrun by Germany, and at 6%, the Germans can stay drunk forever on their debt, and vacation in their poor countries cheaply.
China has complained about the Japanese being Japanese, in Japan, then had their own people riot. Manufacturing has been in decline for years, they have built empty buildings, high speed trains no one can afford, and priced themselves out of production. Japanese robots will replace them.
We have recessions, they have revolts.
On the home front, The Federal Reserve is buying worthless paper, mortgage backed securities, for face value, with freshly printed paper worth as much. The drought is so bad they have quit reporting it, and is likely to continue for decades. No one has had a raise in forty years, each new wave gets paid less, and there is no work for the young.
WWIII has been getting mentioned as a solution, all out Atomic War would solve our problems.
Underage girls are wearing immoral clothing, listening to dirty music, and dancing! We must take action!
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In case you haven't realized radical Islam wants to establish a world-wide theocracy where we all live under Shariah (sp?) law.
For all people complain about Christians when it comes to their objections to homosexuality, Christians are not in the habit of executing homosexuals...
We don't see Catholics and Baptists inflicting violence on each other on a routine basis. We see that with Shiite and Sunni (sp?) (really don't feel like looking up spelling atm).
Thing is moderate Muslims often let the radicals run rampent, and until the moderates say enough is enough, we're going to continue to see incidents like this.
Your quote about Christians vs Christians is rather odd, not for the sake of your statement, but for the validity in and of itself. Very wrong in historical terms. I also find it odd your continuances of "homosexuals". They most certainly did and most certainly still do. If you do not understand that, you do not understand PTSD and... well, son, go away and I will help you.
You are found contentious on both accounts and, hence, reprehensible. At the very least, naive and still guilty as charged. I don't believe in much law at all, however tack any old scare term you want on it...you are guilty.
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I so loved reading that Inventor. I am driven to make notes, learn lessons.
and now make comments that have nuthing to do with nuthing,
as most of this now does, except yours. How the hell do you write what you can write?
Jawbones of asses? I mean wtf did that come from? Wonderful s**t.
The s**t heads damn near invented the whole no borders concept,
divide and keep them divided, I mean what did they expect?
They made it international and accept no claim? Survival comes to mind, but still, change tactics and
don't be as old school, not that much ever changes,
but you can. Even a new cold war.
Bust the myth, again, and show a new "super-trooper".
Cold is cold, ya dumb s**ts, welcome to the term.
They owned the bomb first, don't forget it.
"We have recessions, they have revolts."
Smart damn words and don't freakin forget them.
So far, they still feed us. Drought this year, going to cost money.
More people on food stamps, they didn't use to be, they vote.
There will be no revolution, till the belly's are empty.
Might be the ones the polls aren't looking at, I hope so.
I worry about food and someone says I need to build more bombs.
I grew a garden this year, turned out for crap.
I still know how to kill people and damn well.
Thank you America for my training?
Anyone can do the crap the ass holes did that killed them.
Some a little better then others.
It either got done or it didn't.
Dead or not, 100 million $ to train you or, an RPG shoved into a damned kids hands.
Grow something, I have no time for them anymore.
Five million European Christians were burned at the stake, by other European Christians. They are called fa***ts, or Flaming fa***ts, for the stake was for them also.
Then there was the European Religious Wars, lots of them, Then there was the mass murder, ethnic cleansing, Vespers, when after prayers the Papists went out and slaughtered all of the Protestents, man, woman, and child.
Small religious sects were hanging their own in America, Salem, and other places, and the last recorded witch was burned at the stake in England, 1799. Not that those lynched and burned in America were not Christian, just of darker skin. That last happened five years ago around here, that we know of.
Then there was the Crusades, where Eastern Christians were considered non believers, and slaughtered all the way to the Holy Land, then throughout the Holy Land.
In both north and south America slaves were required to become Christians.
The forced conversion of the Moors in Spain, Christ or death. The Inquision, and in the recent spreading of Christianity in Africa, killing homosexuals was church doctrine, for those American Missions.
The whole Colonial Era was excused because they were living in darkness, and whatever it took to make them Christian, was for their own good.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts.
The undiluted truth, priceless.

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For all people complain about Christians when it comes to their objections to homosexuality, Christians are not in the habit of executing homosexuals...
We don't see Catholics and Baptists inflicting violence on each other on a routine basis. We see that with Shiite and Sunni (sp?) (really don't feel like looking up spelling atm).
Thing is moderate Muslims often let the radicals run rampent, and until the moderates say enough is enough, we're going to continue to see incidents like this.
And radical Christianity wants to evangelize the world, and establish a world-wide theocracy where we all live under a not dissimilar code. So what? Radicals are--by definition--outside the mainstream and their political beliefs are impractical, whether they are muslim, christian, communist, libertarian or just plain whack-jobs.
And while radical christians are not holding power in any country--and so not in a position to execute those they demonize, they are, however, in the habit of visiting violence on homosexuals and of assassinating physicians who perform abortions--among other types of violent behaviour. Furthermore, it was christians who embarked on the ethnic cleansing of Serbian held areas of Bosnia 20 years ago. It was christians who killed over 3,000 of their fellow citizens in bombings and shootings in Northern Ireland. (Catholics and Presbyterians, rather than Baptists, I will grant you, though). Radicalized christians are no less capable of appalling violence than radicalized muslims, radicalized jews, radicalized Hindus (let's take a look at Sri Lanka, shall we?) or radicalized atheists.
It's radicalism that we should be condemning--not islam, christianity or any of the other groups from whom radicals emerge.
The perpetration of violence is a practice properly condemned--but it is only those who perpetrate it who ought to be condemned. Not all Muslims are responsible for violence perpetrated by Muslims. Not all Americans are responsible for Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Not all Roman Catholics are reponsible for the IRA--nor are all Presbyterians responsible for the UDF.
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For all people complain about Christians when it comes to their objections to homosexuality, Christians are not in the habit of executing homosexuals...
We don't see Catholics and Baptists inflicting violence on each other on a routine basis. We see that with Shiite and Sunni (sp?) (really don't feel like looking up spelling atm).
Thing is moderate Muslims often let the radicals run rampent, and until the moderates say enough is enough, we're going to continue to see incidents like this.
And radical Christianity wants to evangelize the world, and establish a world-wide theocracy where we all live under a not dissimilar code. So what? Radicals are--by definition--outside the mainstream and their political beliefs are impractical, whether they are muslim, christian, communist, libertarian or just plain whack-jobs.
There really aren't that many radical Christian groups out there these days. Normally Christianity in general denounces them for being nutcases...
We normally don't see the same when it comes to radical Muslims.
If you consider the child in the womb as being a human being, then by definition abortion is manslaughter at the very least. Furthermore, the "doctors" killing babies after they survive an abortion are by definition murderers and the woman's choice doesn't mean jack s***, because the child isn't inside the woman's body!! !
Do I agree with a person going on a shooting spree, no, and that person should be thrown in prison. That said, abortionists that kill babies that survive the abortion, should face criminal charges. The woman's body argument doesn't fly when the child isn't inside the woman's body.
visagrunt, someone like you would view anyone that says something you disagree with to be a radical.
No, but liberals often try to equate Conservatives to Timothy McVeigh. Liberals also tried to smear the tea party when Gabriel Giffords was shot. The shooter was actually a registered Democrat and had a lot more in common with you (from a political standpoint) than with me. That shooter was just plain nuts, he had books by Karl Marx and Adolf Hitler on his book shelf if I remember correctly (I last heard this tidbit back around when that shooting happened).
Well, it looks like al-Qaeda was behind the Libyan attack after all. No news on whether they were behind the other embassy attacks. Something tells me they were. While we were playing "witch hunt" in Iraq, they've been building up to this. I fear this may not be the last we hear from them.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/top-administration-official-says-strike-in-libya-was-terror-attack/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-attack-jihadists/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/19/top-administration-official-says-strike-in-libya-was-terror-attack/
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/12/world/africa/libya-attack-jihadists/index.html
It wasn't a surprise that it was Al Qaeda, heck Fox News was pointing out it was likely a planned attack around 9/12 to 9/13, it was rather blatently obvious.
We normally don't see the same when it comes to radical Muslims.
Well let's compare numbers, shall we? How many radical Christian groups are there out there? How many radical muslim groups? "There really aren't that many," is an empty statement.
As for Christianity denouncing them for being nutcases, what of islamic groups that condemn violence and denounce radical islamic groups? Do they count for nothing?
Do I agree with a person going on a shooting spree, no, and that person should be thrown in prison. That said, abortionists that kill babies that survive the abortion, should face criminal charges. The woman's body argument doesn't fly when the child isn't inside the woman's body.
But that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about Christians, using their religious belief as a basis to use violence upon another person. You can dress up the argument about abortion all you like, but it's not a justification, and it does not diminish the offence of the radical Christian who perpetrated it.
I will present you as a counter example. I have never conferred that epithet on you.
You lack the gravitas to be a radical. You are merely a whiner.
Unlike you, I avoid drawing generalizations about people.
You are a liar--but not all conservatives are liars.
Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist--but not all Americans are terrorists.
I am able to distinguish the individual from the group. You should try it sometime. You will come out sounding less shrill.
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So today we get the real meaning of events, the People of Benghazzi rose up and drove out the American supported Death Squads, and replaced them with National Troops loyal to Tripoli. The Khanate of Halisburtonstan has fallen!
There was never an American Consulate, Cris was not an Ambassador, he just showed up on a Greek ship with Islamist fighters, weapons, and set up shop. The shop is closed, burned out, and a crime scene. He is dead, his private army of foreign fighters driven out, and the Government of the People of Libya is now the only government.
The oil fields, pipelines, several to Italy, refinerys, docks, military bases, have been recovered by the people, and occupied by the real army.
Moderate Islam has scored a great victory!
There was never an American Consulate, Cris was not an Ambassador, he just showed up on a Greek ship with Islamist fighters, weapons, and set up shop. The shop is closed, burned out, and a crime scene. He is dead, his private army of foreign fighters driven out, and the Government of the People of Libya is now the only government.
The oil fields, pipelines, several to Italy, refinerys, docks, military bases, have been recovered by the people, and occupied by the real army.
Moderate Islam has scored a great victory!
Inventor, I really think that smearing a man that got murdered is rather tasteless putting it mildly.
@ Vigilans
The reality is you're just uninformed...
No one invited him, Not the old government, nor the new. Read the news, he came by freighter, with guns and Islamist fighters,
A lot of Libyans got killed.
The Libyans do not want to be occupied by Islamists paid by the Saudis, nor do the Sryians.
Invade, start a Civil War, occupy the oil fields, the standared recent deal.
Everyone saw the mess created by imported Islamist fighters in Iraq.
We are not there throwing Rainbows at evil.
This is the same as done funding and arming the Contras, private death squads working to make a moderate government impossible.
Latest news is Libya is moving on the imported Islamists who have occupied the National Airport in Tripoli,
The US has moved several warships to the Libyan coast, and said they want to send in Marines to protect their interests. We have no interests in Libya, so the government has refused.
An Embassy in Tripoli, which is protected by the local government, should be our only interest. Nothing happen there.
Send in the Marines to protect the Saudi funded and armed Imported Islamic Fighters at the airport?
The People of Libya have elected a Government, and have a right to their country and self rule.
Turkey has told the leaders of The Sryian Fighters to leave, and go to Sryia.
Their support has killed 23,000 Sryians, caused another hundred thousand to move to Turkey, and created a state of undeclared war along the border. Guns sent in from Turkey are coming back in the hands of Kurds.
The Free Saudi Army has been chopped up in Sryia, and the fight is spreading. Thousands of them were no match for the 350,000 man Sryian Army, and the People, who elected their own government.
Turkey cant be a Terrorist State, they belong to NATO.
Being the base, for killing 23,000 of your neighbors, is a war crime.
Al Kiada is a Saudi Funded Death Squad.
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