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25 May 2014, 9:23 pm

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People that tend to ague Stand Your Ground are arguing from the point that they were fearful of great bodily harm, or death. So it's elimination would make no difference since people under those circumstances will pull the trigger regardless... you can punish them, but I'm sure people who would have otherwise used this defense are still grateful to be alive, otherwise its just a very small price to pay. So it's elimination does absolutely nothing because people will ALWAYS defend themselves if they believe their lives are in danger.

Greatly exaggerated? Crime is a part of everyday life, and criminals employ the logic that the animals use when identifying easy prey, you go for the young and defenseless, or the old and infirm. They don't contend with bulls because of the likelihood of death. By stripping everyone of their guns you subject these groups of people to the abuse of well-bodied males, do you really want to do that?

And having a gun waved in your face is a small price to pay for ensuring that some random Jane Doe living in an isolated community has the means of defending herself and her family while her husband works. There ARE roving predators looking for scenarios such as this because a woman simply doesn't have enough strength to defend herself, and in isolation there is no time for the authorities to respond even if she got a call out.

The only one defending your family in the above scenario is the person at home with the gun, it's not the police or your neighbors. Even if the criminal has a gun he's not going to risk getting gored by 'the horns' so to speak just for one meal. In some nature documentaries you can find videos of GAZELLES goring unfortunate cheetahs to death, that's why those animals tend to gravitate to the weak and not the bulls who can defend themselves, it's simply not worth the risk, hence why guns are great equalizers, the weak is no longer subject to the strong because of them.


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25 May 2014, 9:38 pm

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if we had national mental health established, he would have been screened and a judge would have forced the issue as he would have been adjudged to be a danger to himself and others.
Would everyone get screened? How do you keep some of them from gaming the system so that they don't appear to be cuckoo? How much time do you think they'll spend on each case? How would you like it if all people on the spectrum were declared to be a danger to themselves and others?

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I am afraid we need a certain amount of big brother to keep little brother from kicking little sister.

Teach little sister to kick little brother in the balls or shins. Your plan sets little sister up to be raped by big brother then have big brother blame it on little brother. After all, who would ever believe that big brother would do such a thing?!


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25 May 2014, 9:42 pm

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if we had national mental health established, he would have been screened and a judge would have forced the issue as he would have been adjudged to be a danger to himself and others.
Would everyone get screened? How do you keep some of them from gaming the system so that they don't appear to be cuckoo? How much time do you think they'll spend on each case? How would you like it if all people on the spectrum were declared to be a danger to themselves and others?

universal screening, starting in school. it must be given the resources it needs, even if the tax rates on the 1% go up 50%. the only alternative is what we have now.

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I am afraid we need a certain amount of big brother to keep little brother from kicking little sister.

Teach little sister to kick little brother in the balls or shins. Your plan sets little sister up to be raped by big brother then have big brother blame it on little brother. After all, who would ever believe that big brother would do such a thing?![/quote]
not everybody has the wherewithal to kick ass. I don't get why you think kennedy's plan makes anybody get raped.



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25 May 2014, 9:54 pm

The Squid wonders... In the future, our firearms will have scanners affixed to them. Before the trigger can be pulled, the item that is being fired apon will be scanned and deemed allowable or not. o.O



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25 May 2014, 9:58 pm

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if we had national mental health established, he would have been screened and a judge would have forced the issue as he would have been adjudged to be a danger to himself and others.
Would everyone get screened? How do you keep some of them from gaming the system so that they don't appear to be cuckoo? How much time do you think they'll spend on each case? How would you like it if all people on the spectrum were declared to be a danger to themselves and others?

universal screening, starting in school. it must be given the resources it needs, even if the tax rates on the 1% go up 50%. the only alternative is what we have now.
Yeah, like they won't buck that. Get real. :roll:

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I am afraid we need a certain amount of big brother to keep little brother from kicking little sister.

Teach little sister to kick little brother in the balls or shins. Your plan sets little sister up to be raped by big brother then have big brother blame it on little brother. After all, who would ever believe that big brother would do such a thing?!

not everybody has the wherewithal to kick ass.

Can't save 'em all....

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I don't get why you think kennedy's plan makes anybody get raped.

It's a metaphor for being f****d over by big brother under the pretense of help. You wouldn't understand....


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25 May 2014, 10:00 pm

I choose Mustapha Mond over any of the Koch bullies. IOW I'm more comfortable with big gov't than big business who only wants to make money off me and absent that, kick me to the curb. during the last world war, taxing the rich was widely judged to be acceptable- in what should be a war to rebuild our crumbling nation, taxing the rich should once again be acceptable.



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25 May 2014, 10:14 pm

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How do you know what I know about the NRA. I follow the NRA website. I see their press conferences. I follow their FB page. I pay attention to evil. I have been victim to violent crime. You are not even in a position to talk about credibility, as I have said before.

If you knew anything about the NRA you'd know that all this drivel you post about it as if it were a terrorist cell is hyperbole. The NRA is not without its faults but they have done more to actually prevent gun related deaths/injuries than any anti-gun organisation like T he Brady Center. You prevent gun related death/injury by learning to live in a world that has guns in it, not pretend that they can be magically removed or avoided.

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You admire people who lie and distort to get their way and you have said yourself that you would have to employ their methodology. You have no credibility, or integrity.
Yeh, someone really oughtta spank me. :roll:

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How do I know I live in a nonviolent community? Because I researched this community for years before I moved here. There has not been an act of reported violence in this community other than the occasional bar fight in over twenty years. Definitely no murders or shootings. I picked this community for e reason, and I have a dozen other communities just like this one pinpointed in case I feel the need to move. I moved here from a community of almost 400,000 just three years ago and even in that community when their homicide count was up to 30 by this time of year I would go out running in the "hood" at 2am without a thought in the world. I have owned a jewelry store in the hood of that town and routinely encountered thug gangsters with guns, in packs. At that time I would close my store carrying a 9mm and a pump 12 gauge shotgun. I have had people robbed at gun point within 100 meters of me and I have seen people shot in the head within 100 yards of me. I have been shot at and had guns jammed in my face and never flinched. Always by cowards. You know nothing of my life experience or how it has affected me.

Funny; everyone that I know who has had experiences anything like that are the opposite. They know that having a gun handy may actually be used save them if they do their part.
You seem to believe it's futile and would just as soon be a victim and die in a ditch without even trying. I don't keep a fire extinguisher in my kitchen because it'll protect me from a fire. Like a gun, I keep it because I can use it to fight a fire if I do my part. It does not guarantee the outcome of anything but it gives me a tool to use.
Btw, it should be obvious to you by now that you can't shut me up if I have something to say.


I'm not trying to shut you up. You are irrelevant. You have no credibility. You have no integrity. I can very easily say what I want to say and move on, completely ignoring your predictable bleh-bleh. You don't matter. And I don't care if I don't matter. I live in the real world, unlike you.



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25 May 2014, 10:21 pm

/\ For someone so irrelevant and without credibility you sure reply to me a lot. Any disinterested third party with two brain cells to rub together could look at my posting history in all these gunz-r-bad threads and yours and see who has credibility and lives in the real world. You'd be disappointed.


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25 May 2014, 10:40 pm

All of you people who go to so much trouble dividing up all of these quotes to make your point, you have some very serious issues. You are as bad is this murdering little kid making all of these videos making absolutely certain he made his point. You people have some serious anal retentive OCD squirrels crawling around inside your brains.

"By God I'm right, look at this point, Look at that point. I got you by God."

I know I have issues but damn, nothing you people say is so important to me that I am going to waste my time on you braking up all of your little syllables and addressing them point by point. I hope you people that do this stuff realize that stuff only makes you look like crazy, wildeyed, lunatic control freaks. Get a grip on yourselves. You are not all that important.



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26 May 2014, 12:05 am

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All of you people who go to so much trouble dividing up all of these quotes to make your point, you have some very serious issues. You are as bad is this murdering little kid making all of these videos making absolutely certain he made his point. You people have some serious anal retentive OCD squirrels crawling around inside your brains.

"By God I'm right, look at this point, Look at that point. I got you by God."

I know I have issues but damn, nothing you people say is so important to me that I am going to waste my time on you braking up all of your little syllables and addressing them point by point. I hope you people that do this stuff realize that stuff only makes you look like crazy, wildeyed, lunatic control freaks. Get a grip on yourselves. You are not all that important.


So, reading an opponent's argument and responding to individual points, also known as standard protocol in internet debate (the proper word is 'fisking, FYI), tells you we have "serious issues", as bad as the Cali shooter. Okaaaay...


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26 May 2014, 1:09 am

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All of you people who go to so much trouble dividing up all of these quotes to make your point, you have some very serious issues. You are as bad is this murdering little kid making all of these videos making absolutely certain he made his point. You people have some serious anal retentive OCD squirrels crawling around inside your brains.

"By God I'm right, look at this point, Look at that point. I got you by God."

I know I have issues but damn, nothing you people say is so important to me that I am going to waste my time on you braking up all of your little syllables and addressing them point by point. I hope you people that do this stuff realize that stuff only makes you look like crazy, wildeyed, lunatic control freaks. Get a grip on yourselves. You are not all that important.


So, reading an opponent's argument and responding to individual points, also known as standard protocol in internet debate (the proper word is 'fisking, FYI), tells you we have "serious issues", as bad as the Cali shooter. Okaaaay...


I am not attacking you, but seriously, don't you recognize that the need to dissect every point in such detail to illustrate your point is part of a psychological disorder?

If I had to go to all that trouble to make someone understand my point I would feel like someone had my mind on the end of a yo-yo string playing games with me. To me, it's like you are out of control. And thats not an attack. I get exhausted everytime you people use that method to reply to something, and I read all day long. Its tedious. If you didnt try to interpret everything I say to meet your needs you could just reply in one paragraph, but it's like you insist on telling me I said something I didn't. Or implying I am being dishonest, which I do not do. I will make a fool out of myself and lose everything before I will deliberately lie or try to deceive someone



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26 May 2014, 1:39 am

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I am not attacking you, but seriously, don't you recognize that the need to dissect every point in such detail to illustrate your point is part of a psychological disorder?


Do you not recognize that you just accused me of having a psychological disorder, which is a type of attack?

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If I had to go to all that trouble to make someone understand my point I would feel like someone had my mind on the end of a yo-yo string playing games with me. To me, it's like you are out of control. And thats not an attack. I get exhausted everytime you people use that method to reply to something, and I read all day long. Its tedious.


When you make multiple arguments in the course of a post, the only real way to address them is to break them out point by point, it's simply the nature of the medium. Also, I'm begining to think you don't really understand what that word, attack, means.

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If you didnt try to interpret everything I say to meet your needs you could just reply in one paragraph, but it's like you insist on telling me I said something I didn't. Or implying I am being dishonest, which I do not do. I will make a fool out of myself and lose everything before I will deliberately lie or try to deceive someone


That's rich, coming from the guy that wrongly reads all sorts of meanings that aren't there into everything that's said to him, when he bothers to read them at all.

You are dishonest, you make claims about people that are not true, such as that I don't care about human life, or that Raptor has no integrity and gets off on harming people, and you make statement that you can't or won't support, but that has nothing to do with the style we're using to respond to you, that's just SOP for the internet.


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26 May 2014, 9:12 am

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All of you people who go to so much trouble dividing up all of these quotes to make your point, you have some very serious issues. You are as bad is this murdering little kid making all of these videos making absolutely certain he made his point. You people have some serious anal retentive OCD squirrels crawling around inside your brains.

"By God I'm right, look at this point, Look at that point. I got you by God."

I know I have issues but damn, nothing you people say is so important to me that I am going to waste my time on you braking up all of your little syllables and addressing them point by point. I hope you people that do this stuff realize that stuff only makes you look like crazy, wildeyed, lunatic control freaks. Get a grip on yourselves. You are not all that important.

You have nothing to counter us with except for false generalizations, personal attacks, hyperbole, etc....


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26 May 2014, 9:34 am

i wish people could differenciate between a "sicko with a gun" and a " peacefull gun owner".i feel horrible for the victims family,i lost my mother young and i know loosing a loved is excruciatingly painfull.i also see no connection between there pain and my entry in this years Vermont Moose lottery.

my mom died of lung cancer but i dont want to shut down every convenience store that sells ciggaretts


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26 May 2014, 12:03 pm

how 'bout just banning cigarettes?



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26 May 2014, 1:11 pm

Nothing ever changes here at wrong planet, still populated little boys and their guns. Why bother feeding these trolls let them rant about how its their right to have guns.
Sorry to say this but they put all people on the spectrum in a bad light by their pro gun stance at a time of tragedy, way to go guys. Anyhow never feed the gun lobby
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