Unavoidable Climate Change

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Oh Pug, dear chap, do check this article.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/worl ... ment-.html

Seems the President of the Czech Republic thinks "Global Warming" is bullocks.

Of course, he's only a president, and not a scientist...

Well that's appropriate ! !! ! He was born in Prague ! !!

Pug, old fellow, you've already got all the scientists, I'm desperate for anyone I can line up against them. As should be obvious, here I am scraping the bottom of the barrel, using the opinions of Presidents ! !! !

Well, putting aside the science, I think that the economic arguments made for/against emissions controls are very complex and interesting. My father - a staunch Conservative Republican - won't debate whether global warming is real or not (he does think it's real), but he has some interesting things to say about why he feels that Bush was correct to not sign the Kyoto treaty. Having worked in the power industry for the last several decades, he thought that the Kyoto treaty was quite unreasonable in that the U.S. would have had to take ALL coal burning power plants - some of which are only online for a matter of days per year - and retrofit them with scrubbers in their smokestacks. That is not exactly cheap. What's more, many of the noncompliant power plants are scheduled to be taken permanently offline within a matter of the next two decades. The general feeling in the power industry was that resources (money) should be used to build cleaner power plants to supply power for the future, and the dirty ones should just go offline as scheduled. And that's just the argument from ONE industry in the U.S.

So, I don't exactly think that you have to look very far to come up with compelling economic reasons to not acknowledge or sign the Kyoto treaty - presidents can hardly be called "the bottom of the barrel" when discussing matters of the national economy. I just happen to be of the opinion that an economic catastrophe is inevitable if the issue of pollution and global climate change is not addressed now rather than later.

Let us see here:

1. The Sun (the great big hot thing out there) is the primary thermal source within the solar system

2. All the smaller cooler thingies in the solar system are warming

3. Conclusion: all the little cooler things that are warming are doing so due to solar radiation. .
EXCEPT the Earth! It warms because of my pickjp truck!

So bloody obvious, why did I not understand this sooner?

"beer and wiskey, the Sacred drugs of the breeder religion."

so true!

Thanks, Professor

I'm actually really pissed off that Canada didn't make it. Or even seem to try.

The Kyoto accords were never meant to be a solution, it's just one step in the right direction. Harper is trying to say that we need a 'made in Canada' answer to it which is bull because it was never about implementation, only goals.

Mind you, Harper clearly is uninterested in this anyways but that's hardly a shock. It does however aggravate me that the Liberals were in power for so long and didn't seem to hold much interest in meeting Kyoto.


There are other issues than Global Warming when it comes to emissions.

Unavoidable Climate Change. That is where this thread started.

There is a great body of real science documenting this subject. For some reason it is ignored by the Political, University, Media, and the Economic Interests for which they stand.

It is called Geology. It is a record of change. The last stable period was from 18,000 years ago to 15,000 years ago, during the last ice age. Sea level was 440 foot lower.

Then a warming trend started, it continues. At times sea level has risen sixty foot in a year, some times stayed the same for 500 years, but overall, near ten meters per thousand years, one per hundred, which is two or three times the current rate. It has been a steady decline, one foot per hundred years seems close to the recent measurable change over the last few hundred years.

Suddenly this is news? Suddenly we have to let Al Gore fix this?

Panic Now! For only if your elected leaders and their appointed friends gain more control over the economy, raise taxes, cut services, can this CRISIS be averted? The Government supported Universities, the Government regulated Media, are suddenly telling you that watching the news on TV, where actors in makeup will report of what a SCIENTIST said, and in a fair and balanced way report both sides of the LIE.

SCIENTISTS using COMPUTER MODELS, have said you are ALL GOING TO DIE, within the next few hundred years. The Science of Climatology did not exist ten years ago, and it is not a science. Metorology has existed a lot longer, and it is not a science. Predicting the weather works sometimes for as much as three days, but is as often wrong.

Being in New Orleans we pay attention, we are on our own and no one gives a dame about us. Dr. Gray, the Hurricane Expert Scientist, from Denver, has a track record, a narrow interest, is the most noted person in his field. Taking all factors into account, using COMPUTERS, he has been about 65% correct on a next year basis. He is consistant in that he is under or over in about equal amounts.

The Science of Economics has predicted 20 of the last 7 Recessions. They did miss three of the actual ones. They got 4 out of 20 right, a score of 20%.

If there was any truth to the Science of Climatology, using Computers, they would all be Billionairs trading commodities on the Chicago Board of Trade. The Department of Agriculture knows how many acres are tilled, what seed planted, chemicals use, rainfall, hours of sunlight, and a month before harvest are often 30% off of actual harvest numbers. They are standing there watching, using Computers, with a staff of thousands of Scientists, and they all work for the Government.

Prof_Pretorius is right, you should let other people think for you.