Paul Ryan: we will repeal Obamacare and replace it

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09 Jan 2017, 1:11 pm

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I have already said that you, yourself, are attached to others. You can't provide for yourself and would rather not think about it. For being so delicate, liberals resemble a fetus.

I'm sorry but you're not making much sense could you explain in a clearer fashion

And I'm not affiliated with any side

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09 Jan 2017, 1:27 pm

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How is understanding that without a brain or fuctioning organs it isn't a baby not logical and direct?

Then, may I assume you were asking rhetorically?

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09 Jan 2017, 1:34 pm

There are several different ways of classifying this tissue.

Firstly, you can say that it is irreducibly-complex. It is a baby, at conception.

Even if you would like to divide a person, infinitely, some people say that each part contains a complete person, ie, homunculus.

Some people imagine the form of a person, in the shape of an ear, or you can say that it contains all the genetic information, needed to become an individual.

Each part of your body is supposed to deserve respect, if life is sacred. We don't say that your finger or nose isn't a human.

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09 Jan 2017, 1:40 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:

Some people imagine the form of a person, in the shape of an ear, or you can say that it contains all the genetic information, needed to become an individual.

Each part of your body is supposed to deserve respect, if life is sacred. We don't say that your finger or nose isn't a human.

At conception it is a zygote not even a fetus yet so it is not a baby.

And a finger I'd not a human it is a part of a human. If I find a finger on the street I'm not going to think of it as human I'm going to think of the human that lost their finger.

I don't think abortion is a good thing but I do thing that it is a necessary evil

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09 Jan 2017, 2:01 pm

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If I find a finger on the street I'm not going to think of it as human I'm going to think of the human that lost their finger.

Would you report it?

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I don't think abortion is a good thing but I do thing that it is a necessary evil

In what respect is it necessary.

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09 Jan 2017, 2:17 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:

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If I find a finger on the street I'm not going to think of it as human I'm going to think of the human that lost their finger.

Would you report it?

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I don't think abortion is a good thing but I do thing that it is a necessary evil

In what respect is it necessary.

Report a random finger? Yea similarly how I would report a random human turd.

If the baby is killing the mother or if it a child of rape and the mother psychologically cannot handle having the baby

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09 Jan 2017, 2:29 pm

I'm surprised. I would have thought that harmlessness and voluntarism were universal ideals.

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Report a random finger?

It really doesn't seem extraordinary?

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If the baby is killing the mother or if it a child

These situations are considered risky, in all fairness, but delivery is technically possible.

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of rape

Harms the child and mother, but not rapist.

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and the mother psychologically cannot handle having the baby

Adoption

I guess, in the case of "medical care," and I will use the term very loosely, a "doctor" would have to be cheap and efficient, in order to compete in a free market.

I don't realistically think that people can be policed, behind close doors, whether or not I consider it ethical.

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09 Jan 2017, 3:32 pm

From what I've heard, the plan was to drop the mandate, but keep quite a bit of Obamacare intact.

And I am not sure how this turned into an abortion debate.

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09 Jan 2017, 5:24 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

From what I've heard, the plan was to drop the mandate, but keep quite a bit of Obamacare intact.

And I am not sure how this turned into an abortion debate.

For this to be an abortion debate, it would have to be coherent and articulate on more than one side. This seems to me more like an exercise in absurdist theatre. :lol:

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See, I can debate abortion too with just as much coherence! :wink:

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09 Jan 2017, 5:30 pm

wilburforce wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

From what I've heard, the plan was to drop the mandate, but keep quite a bit of Obamacare intact.

And I am not sure how this turned into an abortion debate.

For this to be an abortion debate, it would have to be coherent and articulate on more than one side. This seems to me more like an exercise in absurdist theatre. :lol:

It's left me so confused :lol:

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09 Jan 2017, 5:50 pm

Alliekit wrote:

wilburforce wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

From what I've heard, the plan was to drop the mandate, but keep quite a bit of Obamacare intact.

And I am not sure how this turned into an abortion debate.

For this to be an abortion debate, it would have to be coherent and articulate on more than one side. This seems to me more like an exercise in absurdist theatre. :lol:

It's left me so confused :lol:

You're not alone, girl. :lol:

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14 Jan 2017, 6:18 pm

And what exactly will Ryan replace it with? They don't have a plan at all!

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14 Jan 2017, 6:27 pm

beneficii wrote:

And what exactly will Ryan replace it with? They don't have a plan at all!

What ever it is, it will be so yugely successful that you will get tired of winning and Canada will pay for it.

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14 Jan 2017, 8:42 pm

beneficii wrote:

And what exactly will Ryan replace it with? They don't have a plan at all!

I think that's highly unlikely. How good of a plan it is and how successful it will be, remains to be seen.

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14 Jan 2017, 10:49 pm

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beneficii wrote:

And what exactly will Ryan replace it with? They don't have a plan at all!

I think that's highly unlikely. How good of a plan it is and how successful it will be, remains to be seen.

if they had a plan besides "get rich or don't get sick" then they'd have mentioned it by now. but "get rich or don't get sick" is the longtime GOP plan and they show no signs of changing it especially now that they have all the levers of power for the foreseeable future. you see, they don't want any tax fundage transfers from rich to poor, that is behind their century-long opposition to extending primary health care to the working class. the only way to extend health care to the working class IS such tax subsidies, either direct to the worker ["premium support"] or via some kind of universal health care system. you can bet that if the GOP ever does sign onto premium support that it will be means-tested up the ying-yang, IOW "ya got a car? too bad, then- no subsidy for you, you pay full freight or die." and full freight for this old man is about $500/month for a catastrophic [emergency-only] plan. "real" health insurance that actually pays for primary [not just tertiary] care would cost about $1,500/month for anybody older than 50. and remember, deferred [due to exorbitant cost] primary care often turns into unavoidable tertiary care, which is the leading cause of bankruptcy in amuuurica.

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