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16 Jun 2017, 6:44 am

These liberals haven't been 'mugged by reality' however but rather by fantasy and innuendo from rampant yellow journalism.



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16 Jun 2017, 7:27 am

(Because they don't what is their skin color, or how to use a toilet.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSMtP8bJO4A

Here is a demonstration. Of objectivity --
Can any one person come up with just a T-shirt, from scratch, a poster board, or one piece of bread. A glass of potable water.

Where is it all coming from.



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16 Jun 2017, 7:40 am

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I don't think we will ever see another civil war in the US. Any rebellion would be ruthlessly crushed by the military first.

The military is made up of people. Their views are probably as opposed to the other as the rest of the population's. If the States start shifting, who knows what will happen.


A civil war would be unlikely but not impossible. All members of the military are sworn to support and defend the Constitution, not politicians. I have heard incredibly detailed and sophisticated political debates on the mess decks when I was stationed on ship. We are not mindless drones or enforcers. As a matter of fact, it is actually illegal for any active duty military to do anything in a domestic law enforcement capacity because we do not have police authority. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 restricts use of Army and later Air Force for domestic policy enforcement(Navy and USMC have own regulations for it). So while required to obey lawful orders, if the primary purpose of those orders is not lawful (Constitutional) we morally and by oath are required to disobey and oppose such orders as given. However, if a service member were to do so, they better damn well be correct and able to prove it!


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16 Jun 2017, 7:58 am

What you are saying would generally be true, but during peace time, afaic.

When under siege or natural disaster, refuseniks are regarded as unfriendlies or beligerents, not necessarily under a national banner.

Also, under the international framework, coalition forces, from foreign countries, are allowed to patrol their allies.

Private contractors have been acknowledged.

Posse comitatus can probably be subverted by countless more legal technicalities, generally beginning with destabilization.

It is cheap and easy to watch tactics, for days. Watch the systematic treatment, of civilians in foreign theaters. Compare it to declared states of emergency. And, tell me no pattern emerges. Same basic procedures as in Vietnam, Iraq, etc, etc, ad nauseam. It's not impossible to discern.



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16 Jun 2017, 8:02 am

I'm being a little more far out, with this line of conjecture, but Rome was said to have used foreign mercenaries.

You give social promotions to change agents -- sexual, racial, and religious -- and gave them questionnaires, asking about their loyalty.

In our experience, they administer reverse prejudice as social justice.

They are not traditional, in general. Yet, you are invoking a tradition, against meddling with us.



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16 Jun 2017, 9:09 am

friedmacguffins wrote:
What you are saying would generally be true, but during peace time, afaic.

When under siege or natural disaster, refuseniks are regarded as unfriendlies or beligerents, not necessarily under a national banner.

Also, under the international framework, coalition forces, from foreign countries, are allowed to patrol their allies.

Private contractors have been acknowledged.

Posse comitatus can probably be subverted by countless more legal technicalities, generally beginning with destabilization.

It is cheap and easy to watch tactics, for days. Watch the systematic treatment, of civilians in foreign theaters. Compare it to declared states of emergency. And, tell me no pattern emerges. Same basic procedures as in Vietnam, Iraq, etc, etc, ad nauseam. It's not impossible to discern.

And thus the original purpose of the Second Amendment would become crystal clear.


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16 Jun 2017, 11:30 am

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When under siege or natural disaster, refuseniks are regarded as unfriendlies or beligerents, not necessarily under a national banner.


Legally making them terrorists, not afforded the same dignity as actual soldiers.

They went door-to-door, disarming the people or relocating them, outrightly.



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16 Jun 2017, 6:00 pm

JoeNavy wrote:
So while required to obey lawful orders, if the primary purpose of those orders is not lawful (Constitutional) we morally and by oath are required to disobey and oppose such orders as given. However, if a service member were to do so, they better damn well be correct and able to prove it!

That's interesting?

So if (hypothetically) a megalomaniac narcissist US president issued orders that were unconstitutional then who in the chain of command decides the order is "unconstitutional"?

Currently the GOP is bending over backwards to protect an unamed megalomaniac narcissist who is trying to "bend the rules to stay in power" I don't see the military or secret agencies or the congress doing anything particularly constructive to protect the aforementioned constitution



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16 Jun 2017, 6:54 pm

cyberdad wrote:
JoeNavy wrote:
So while required to obey lawful orders, if the primary purpose of those orders is not lawful (Constitutional) we morally and by oath are required to disobey and oppose such orders as given. However, if a service member were to do so, they better damn well be correct and able to prove it!

That's interesting?

So if (hypothetically) a megalomaniac narcissist US president issued orders that were unconstitutional then who in the chain of command decides the order is "unconstitutional"?

Currently the GOP is bending over backwards to protect an unamed megalomaniac narcissist who is trying to "bend the rules to stay in power" I don't see the military or secret agencies or the congress doing anything particularly constructive to protect the aforementioned constitution


That is true. The Constitution is the law of the land and the military is an apolitical body. A service member cannot interject and attempt to overthrow the lawful government unless they are forced to make that decision by being given an order that they would deem contrary to the Constitution, by that government. Just as a person cannot challenge the constitutionality of a law that has been passed by the legislative body, unless they are aggrieved and file suit in federal court, subjecting the law to judicial review.
Once again, a service member that does something contrary to orders, if they fail to prove that the order was unlawful can be punished "as a court martial may direct". UCMJ Article 92


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16 Jun 2017, 7:09 pm

JoeNavy wrote:
a service member that does something contrary to orders, if they fail to prove that the order was unlawful can be punished "as a court martial may direct". UCMJ Article 92


Interesting, so basically they have to stick their necks out and go out on a limb? no wonder the president is flaunting the law with relative impunity. He very well knows that his executive powers are unlikely to be resisted by his suboordinates



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16 Jun 2017, 7:14 pm

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a service member that does something contrary to orders, if they fail to prove that the order was unlawful can be punished "as a court martial may direct". UCMJ Article 92


Interesting, so basically they have to stick their necks out and go out on a limb? no wonder the president is flaunting the law with relative impunity. He very well knows that his executive powers are unlikely to be resisted by his suboordinates


Yeah. We really would only be able to do anything if the S.H.T.F.


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18 Jun 2017, 12:58 am

I finally said it!

There is one, and only one reason why all those people voted for Trump:

They simply couldn't stomach the idea of a female president. If she had won, "lock her up" would have become "get back in the kitchen"


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18 Jun 2017, 1:47 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
I finally said it!

There is one, and only one reason why all those people voted for Trump:

They simply couldn't stomach the idea of a female president. If she had won, "lock her up" would have become "get back in the kitchen"


This is moral slander against a group of people. Misyogony is one of many reasons people voted for Trump. Attacks such as yours is another reason. My guess is most of the people that voted for Trump would have voted for Sarah Palin if she was the nominee.


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18 Jun 2017, 1:02 pm

I think, Trump was presented as a chauvinist, for mass consumption, but was sophomoric and puerile, in real life.

When the male breadwinner was no longer the nucleus of a family, as per the social contract,Trump bragged that his women were among the best paid, bedecked in jewels, and put on a golden pedestal, dressed in gold bikinis. (Real story) I somewhat believed in pee-gate. While we sexists should ideally want to shelter women and children, from negativity, we do not commit acts of war, on their sayso. (Syria.)



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18 Jun 2017, 7:44 pm

friedmacguffins wrote:
I think, Trump was presented as a chauvinist, for mass consumption, but was sophomoric and puerile, in real life.

62% of college educated white women favored him as a candidate. Certainly chauvinism was not a major issue with female voters even when plausible allegations were published of Trump molesting his female employees



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23 Jun 2017, 1:48 pm

Are you a fan of Bill Nye the Science Guy? If so, you might want to ask him if he agrees with one of his writers, who is totally cool with shooting white men.

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