Who was your Favorite Capitol Rioter and why?

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13 Jan 2021, 6:11 am

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I have been saying the same thing for four years. People like him because they see him as the agent of inflicting pain on those whom they perceive "deserve it". His election was a punishment for the Obama years.


..by those who couldn’t stand having a black man as their president.


The MAGAs see Obama as a package deal and a 'cautionary tale" when you get a kenyan born black muslim who supports terrorists, loves communism and hates patriots and who picked the wicked witch of the left Hillary who is the incarnation of what their white jesus called satan.



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13 Jan 2021, 9:54 am

The guy who stole Pelosi’s podium had his bail set at $25,000. He is a father of four and just wants to go home now. His lawyer said that it will be tough to defend him because of the pictures.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-riot ... 30420.html



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14 Jan 2021, 6:26 pm

The confederate flag bearer from the riot has been arrested now:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/us/fbi-a ... index.html

If we put their wanted faces on playing cards, we would have to use several canasta decks.



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14 Jan 2021, 6:56 pm

I must say, John Sullivan certainly stood out to me, as he seems so different from everyone else (But then again, there were a range of people of various backgrounds present, so I suppose it's not too surprising...).

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download



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14 Jan 2021, 9:54 pm

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I must say, John Sullivan certainly stood out to me, as he seems so different from everyone else (But then again, there were a range of people of various backgrounds present, so I suppose it's not too surprising...).

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download


Good lord, an FBI agent 8O



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14 Jan 2021, 11:22 pm

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I must say, John Sullivan certainly stood out to me, as he seems so different from everyone else (But then again, there were a range of people of various backgrounds present, so I suppose it's not too surprising...).

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1354781/download


Good lord, an FBI agent 8O


I think you confused Matthew B. Foulger (The FBI agent who prepared this "Affidavit in support of criminal complaint and arrest warrant") with John Sullivan who is the target of it:

This is him a week ago:



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15 Jan 2021, 12:37 am

A BLM operative filming the insurgency. I am amazed he wasn't recognised while filming. He seemed willing to take the risks so no need to sympathise. It would have been bad news had the right wing confederates recognised him.

What wlll be interesting is his filming/documentary evidence of the rather token/pathetic defence of the police line which appears to include a rioter grabbing one of the shields of a officer who was either not trained properly or his heart wasn't into it.



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15 Jan 2021, 12:41 am

Ok before I get corrected
Sullivan is the founder of Insurgence USA, a Utah group focused on police reform and racial justice that he started after the death of George Floyd.

He was never a member of BLM.

He claims to have a been a journalist but didn't have a press pass.



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15 Jan 2021, 1:03 am

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A BLM operative filming the insurgency. I am amazed he wasn't recognised while filming. He seemed willing to take the risks so no need to sympathise. It would have been bad news had the right wing confederates recognised him.

What wlll be interesting is his filming/documentary evidence of the rather token/pathetic defence of the police line which appears to include a rioter grabbing one of the shields of a officer who was either not trained properly or his heart wasn't into it.


It seems they are alleging he did a little more that "filming the insurgency"...
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f. SULLIVAN, once inside the Capitol Building, roamed the building with other individuals who unlawfully entered. During one of his interactions with others, SULLIVAN can be heard in the video saying, “We gotta get this s**t burned.” At other times as he is walking through the Capitol, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, among other things, “it’s our house motherf***ers” and “we are getting this s**t.”


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h.At one point in the video, SULLIVAN enters an office within the U.S. Capitol, as seen in the screenshot below. Once inside the office, SULLIVAN approaches a window, also seen in the screenshot below, and states, “We did this s**t. We took this s**t.”

i.While at the window, a knocking noise is heard off-screen. The camera then pans to show more of the window and a broken pane can be seen that was not broken on SULLIVAN’s approach to the window:
SULLIVAN can then be heard saying, “I broke it. My bad, my apologies. Well they already broke a window, so, you know, I didn’t know I hit it that hard. No one got that on camera.” SULLIVAN then exits the office.


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Less than two minutes later, while officers are still at the doors and as others yell to break the glass windows in them with various objects, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, “Hey guys, I have a knife. I have a knife. Let me up.” SULLIVAN does not, however, ever make it to the doors.


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k.Eventually, individuals in the crowd outside the doors announce that the officers are leaving and “giving us the building.” As the crowd begins to part so the officers can leave, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, “Haul that Motherf***er out this b***h.”

l.At another time in the video, SULLIVAN is walking down a hallway in the U.S. Capitol with a large group of people. SULLIVAN pans to a closed door and can be heard saying, “Why don’t we go in there.” After someone hits against the door, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, “That’s what I’m sayin’, break that s**t.” Further down the hall, SULLIVAN can be heard saying, “It would be fire if someone had revolutionary music and s**t.”


Given the document commences with "Because this Affidavit is submitted for the limited purpose of establishing probable cause to support an application for an arrest warrant, it does not contain every fact known by me or the United States.", it would be interesting to know if there are any other interesting details which were not included.



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15 Jan 2021, 5:54 am

Nobody's picked me yet :(




wait... what's this for again?



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15 Jan 2021, 10:56 am

The attorney for the shaman guy thinks that Trump should pardon all of the rioters. Ahh, you cannot pardon in advance of a conviction. The conviction will happen, but Trump will be out of office by then. Guess they should have thought about that issue earlier.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/att ... 28999.html



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15 Jan 2021, 10:14 pm

Oh dear...lots of wealthy business owners, the CEO of a tech company, stock brokers, lawyers and other professionals identified among the rioters who broke US property.



My favourite is the wife of a multimillionaire who flew with her friends on a private jet to DC and can be seen breaking windows, She is openly calling for war against the government. I imagine her idea of war is sitting in her mansion with her wealthy Karen friends watching others die on her private movie theatre. She called the riot the "best day of her life".



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15 Jan 2021, 10:22 pm

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The attorney for the shaman guy thinks that Trump should pardon all of the rioters. Ahh, you cannot pardon in advance of a conviction. The conviction will happen, but Trump will be out of office by then. Guess they should have thought about that issue earlier.

What are you talking about? Ford pardoned Nixon and absolved him of any and all federal crimes before Nixon ever saw a courtroom. No conviction (or even a trial) necessary.



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15 Jan 2021, 10:49 pm

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The attorney for the shaman guy thinks that Trump should pardon all of the rioters. Ahh, you cannot pardon in advance of a conviction. The conviction will happen, but Trump will be out of office by then. Guess they should have thought about that issue earlier.

What are you talking about? Ford pardoned Nixon and absolved him of any and all federal crimes before Nixon ever saw a courtroom. No conviction (or even a trial) necessary.


I doubt Biden will be as generous given Trump's criminal history.



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15 Jan 2021, 11:52 pm

cyberdad wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
QuantumChemist wrote:
The attorney for the shaman guy thinks that Trump should pardon all of the rioters. Ahh, you cannot pardon in advance of a conviction. The conviction will happen, but Trump will be out of office by then. Guess they should have thought about that issue earlier.

What are you talking about? Ford pardoned Nixon and absolved him of any and all federal crimes before Nixon ever saw a courtroom. No conviction (or even a trial) necessary.


I doubt Biden will be as generous given Trump's criminal history.


Exactly. Trump cannot pardon himself, nor the rioters per the way it is written in the law books. Ford pardoning Nixon is a bit different than a blanket pardon over hundreds of rioters who damaged federal/DC property among other crimes. You have to have specific names for each person pardoned and some of them have not been identified yet. Nixon only was pardoned for federal violations and the incoming administration (Ford) never pushed others for conviction on any state level crimes. He could have theoretically still have been tried later with the next administration, but they let it pass. This issue will not happen with the Biden administration. I might add that he cannot pardon himself from things involving impeachment (insurrection), which he has already been charged with by the House of Representatives.

Trump has a history of various state crimes in NY. Prosecutors are just waiting for him to leave office to charge him with those. He also has clearly violated state voting laws in a few other states, including one involving a certain phone call threatening a state official. That will be his real downfall.



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16 Jan 2021, 12:01 am

In case people are tempted to defend Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... nald_Trump

That puts him in the same league as an African dictator, mafia don or a columbian drug cartel.