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28 Feb 2022, 12:41 pm

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“Russia and Ukraine are the same” is a gross simplification.

Indeed. They are not the same and don't belong in the same state.

That said, a smaller and weaker state will fall under the influence of it's larger and more powerful neighbor. That's the natural order of things and is true across the world.


TIL: Canada should accept inevitably being conquered by Americans without resisting because it's the natural order. :lol: :lol:

We’re going to seize Mexico also, need those avocados for toast.


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28 Feb 2022, 12:44 pm

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We’re going to seize Mexico also, need those avocados for toast.

I'm allergic to avocados. (which is disappointing as I quite like guacamole)
And if I was a right-wing-er I'd probably say that Fox News proved it means I'm also allergic to Mexicans.
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28 Feb 2022, 12:52 pm

And Poland should conquer Slovakia and Lithuania with force, not with apple juice and furniture! /s
Now we should use their dependence on our apple juice to seize them! /sssssss


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28 Feb 2022, 3:39 pm

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Is it OK to invade other countries just because you feel entitled to them?


Funny you should mention that
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-chan ... an-kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippin ... erican_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... of_Grenada



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28 Feb 2022, 3:43 pm

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Kievan elites recognized the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth offered them way more freedoms than Moscow, so they refused to join Moscow (for non-elites, it didn't change much who their exploiter was). BTW, Belarus is the part of cultural Russian continuum that stayed under Lithuanian rule at that time.


Ah I see, so there are historic links to i) colonisation by non-slavs and ii) alliances made by elites with aforementioend powers.

What was the role of the Hanseatic League at this time? Didn't the Germans and Swedes have colonial interests in Ukraine?



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28 Feb 2022, 4:00 pm

"Colonisation by non-slavs"? I think you're deeply confusing eras and practices.
First, Poland is a Slavic nation; second, there wasn't "colonisation" but rule, in Medieval European sense. No one cared what language you spoke, it mattered which nobleman you served and which king this nobleman was loyal to. It was always an extremely complex structure of dependencies and alliances, regularily crossing ethnic barriers.
We're talking about pre-colonial Europe, not 19th century Africa. The only "colonies" of this time and place were about moving peasants from overcrowded parts of Germany to various depopulated areas.

Scandinavians were, look at my first post, from the very beginning active in Eastern Europe. They founded the first Russian dynasty. They always had commercial and sometimes military interests in East Europe but their strongest influence in now-Ukraine was in the Viking times. Hansa was active around Baltic Sea, that's thousands of kilometers away.


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28 Feb 2022, 4:27 pm

Both northern Ukraine and Belarus were part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania for centuries, as "Red Ruthenia" and "White Ruthenia" respectively. The Grand Duchy was famous for its religeous tolerance, and had a huge Jewish population. When Russia seized those lands in the late 18th century, they aggressively erased their history, declaring that Belarus and Ukraine had always been part of Russia, and that there was absolutely no difference between Ruthenians and Russians. The region was used as a dumping ground for Jews from the rest of Russia: the "pale of settlement" beyond which they had no right of residency. There, they became prime targets for pogroms, and later for the invading Nazis.


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28 Feb 2022, 4:38 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
“Russia and Ukraine are the same” is a gross simplification.

Indeed. They are not the same and don't belong in the same state.

That said, a smaller and weaker state will fall under the influence of it's larger and more powerful neighbor. That's the natural order of things and is true across the world.


TIL: Canada should accept inevitably being conquered by Americans without resisting because it's the natural order. :lol: :lol:

In modern times that should be an indication of the failure of the diplomatic/political process. Putin's lucky streak is clearly over.

What is happening in Ukraine shouldn't happen.

Canada and Mexico are both under immense influence of US. It was on full display during the Trump years.



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28 Feb 2022, 5:00 pm

Misslizard wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
“Russia and Ukraine are the same” is a gross simplification.

Indeed. They are not the same and don't belong in the same state.

That said, a smaller and weaker state will fall under the influence of it's larger and more powerful neighbor. That's the natural order of things and is true across the world.


TIL: Canada should accept inevitably being conquered by Americans without resisting because it's the natural order. :lol: :lol:

We’re going to seize Mexico also, need those avocados for toast.


This would be unconscionable and a violation of the rights of sovereign nations.
I don't think Biden is going to do something like this.
Biden is no pootin.

I don't think even Trump would do it, but if he wins the next election, what can anyone do if he chooses to invade?
"Might makes right."

Let us hope Trump doesn't win the next election.

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28 Feb 2022, 5:06 pm

Nobody is seriously believing that the US would ever invade either Canada or Mexico in this day and age.



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28 Feb 2022, 5:12 pm

kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
We’re going to seize Mexico also, need those avocados for toast.

I'm allergic to avocados. (which is disappointing as I quite like guacamole)
And if I was a right-wing-er I'd probably say that Fox News proved it means I'm also allergic to Mexicans.
:roll:


I am alergic to histomine.
Avocados are high in histamine, ergo, I can't eat them anymore, now that I have discovered this.
I'm not interested in the invasion of Mexico either.
Perhaps Mexican jumping beans might have greater validity?

I am also allergic to hyperpartisanship media nonsense on *both* sides.
I avoid that like the plague Wuhan flu coronavirus, also.

Viva la antihistamines! :ninja:



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28 Feb 2022, 5:13 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nobody is seriously believing that the US would ever invade either Canada or Mexico in this day and age.


That is simply *your* opinion. 8)



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28 Feb 2022, 5:22 pm

magz wrote:
And Poland should conquer Slovakia and Lithuania with force, not with apple juice and furniture! /s
Now we should use their dependence on our apple juice to seize them! /sssssss


No need to seize Lithuania.
Simply blackmail them into submission with the threat of apple juice being withheld as pootin has done with fossil fuels in the moronic countries that put themselves in this position.
"Self-inflicted wound". :roll:
Make Lithuania a satellite state without firing a shot. :mrgreen:



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28 Feb 2022, 5:22 pm

Over the past 50 or so years that I've been following current events; I've never even heard the possibility even mentioned in passing.

I'm taking mentioning the possibility here as merely the product of a joking/satirical situation, which really should be plainly obvious to me.



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28 Feb 2022, 5:33 pm

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Over the past 50 or so years that I've been following current events; I've never even heard the possibility even mentioned in passing.

I'm taking mentioning the possibility here as merely the product of a joking/satirical situation, which really should be plainly obvious to me.


Lizzardgirl and I are deadly serious.
The threat to Mexico is real.
After all, Mexicans have been invading Ammmuuuuria for decades.
Time for payback! :twisted:



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28 Feb 2022, 6:08 pm

So many bad takes, I can’t keep up.

cyberdad wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
Is it OK to invade other countries just because you feel entitled to them?


Funny you should mention that
https://www.nea.org/advocating-for-chan ... an-kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippin ... erican_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... of_Grenada

Yeah this isn’t exactly proving your point. The US occupation of the Philippines was bad. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is bad.

kraftiekortie wrote:
Nobody is seriously believing that the US would ever invade either Canada or Mexico in this day and age.

I don’t think this is inherently a bad take or anything, but Trump did seriously flirt with the idea of invading Mexico, albeit not with the goal of conquest: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 41939.html

Don’t know about you, but a year ago I didn’t think Russia would be invading Ukraine again any time soon. Things can move quickly! Fortunately the US has more checks on power than Russia, but we can’t be complacent.

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And Poland should conquer Slovakia and Lithuania with force, not with apple juice and furniture! /s
Now we should use their dependence on our apple juice to seize them! /sssssss


No need to seize Lithuania.
Simply blackmail them into submission with the threat of apple juice being withheld as pootin has done with fossil fuels in the moronic countries that put themselves in this position.
"Self-inflicted wound". :roll:
Make Lithuania a satellite state without firing a shot. :mrgreen:

Didn’t realise this was a continuation of magz’s joke at first.

Lithuania is high-key badass. Should be your favourite European country, Pepe. Both the most anti-Russian country in Europe and particularly the most anti-China. Cut off their supply of apple juice and they will drink milk instead.