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21 May 2008, 5:03 pm

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After the final Jewish exile, obviously, Hebrew died out as a spoken language. However, the Jews continued to greet each other in Hebrew. It's similar to how non-Arab Muslims greet each other with Asalaamu 'alaikum.


However it continued as a written language with phonetic values given by vowel markings. The vowels and consonants are a bit different between European and non-European Jews, but it is basically the same. Comprehensible mutually are these two dialects, whereas between Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic it would be nearly incomprehensible (but not completely?).


Is aramaic still spoken these days? Also I've learnt that when sung Hebrew and Arabic sound the same in terms of phonetics. Don't know if it's true though although I will be awestruck that the two languages are the same. However etymologically the two languages are different.



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21 May 2008, 5:08 pm

No, Aramaic is considered extinct. However, I listed it as an example because some of the consonants had shifted away from Hebrew. Much like how the consonant had between German and Latin.



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21 May 2008, 5:45 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
No, Aramaic is considered extinct. However, I listed it as an example because some of the consonants had shifted away from Hebrew. Much like how the consonant had between German and Latin.


Aramaic IS spoken today amongst certain communities, mainly Christian.


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21 May 2008, 5:50 pm

To Stimshieme:

The Einstein quote in your signature doesn't mean what you think it means. The Spinozan god is more a pantheist view, not the common view of a god. Spinoza was denounced as an atheist when he said that the universe was G-d. Also, Einstein was more agnostic.


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21 May 2008, 5:53 pm

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The Einstein quote in your signature doesn't mean what you think of means. The Spinozan god is more a pantheist view, not the common view of a god. Spinoza was denounced as an atheist when he said that the universe was G-d. Also, Einstein was more agnostic.


Funny how Spinoza would have been declared an atheist in the West when in the East he would be considered "awakened" to the truth.


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21 May 2008, 6:38 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
No, Aramaic is considered extinct. However, I listed it as an example because some of the consonants had shifted away from Hebrew. Much like how the consonant had between German and Latin.


Aramaic IS spoken today amongst certain communities, mainly Christian.


In universities or in daily life?



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21 May 2008, 7:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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No, Aramaic is considered extinct. However, I listed it as an example because some of the consonants had shifted away from Hebrew. Much like how the consonant had between German and Latin.


Aramaic IS spoken today amongst certain communities, mainly Christian.


In universities or in daily life?


Daily and liturgical. It is spoken by the Assyrian, Syriac, Chaldean, and Mandean peoples.

I am sure the universities in the region are based in Arabic or English.


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21 May 2008, 11:05 pm

Cool.



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22 May 2008, 12:23 am

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There is no logic to it. Muslim have a bad reputation, we are supposed to hate them. It's irrational and xenophobic, although there are many US Muslims and even one Muslim congressman. Islam is no more violent and stupid than the other religions... well, maybe a little more violent.


A LOT more violent. Let's not kid ourselves here.

Irrational and xenophobic? Tell that to the Taliban, my friend.



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22 May 2008, 2:27 am

muslim has a bad reputation because of the violent elements that is true. and the only press it gets is the kind that focuses on the extreme kind that badmouth other religions
eg: one muslim woman i heard on tv talking about the terrorist attacks in bali "i feel nothing for people that are infidels" she was talking about the victims, which were australian, american, british, local balinese among others... she said others things too, things i will not write here.
on one hand she was protesting about the things people think about islam and say and yet on the other hand she was badmouthing people just because they don't follow her religion. grrrrr.
anyway I am not going to slag off(insult) the decent islamic person (they exist) because of the violent elements. but I will not accept the element that says it is ok for islamic people to insult other religions and races but it is not ok for people to offer constructive criticisim to them.



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22 May 2008, 3:28 am

Some muslims prefer to shun the ayas that state "There is no compulsion in religion" for the ones that say " Slay the Pagans wherever you find them!"

After all, it is the only way they'll show they are pious. Being kind and accepting is too much work.


Whatever human beings may do,
they are constantly mimicked by the ape who studies their behaviour.
The ape thinks it's doing the same thing,
but how would that perverse creature know the difference?
Some people are moved to act on God's command,
and some out of perversity.
Hypocrites pray alongside sincere believers out of perversity,
not humble supplication.
In prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and alms-giving,
faithful and hypocrites alike enjoy victory and defeat.
To the faithful in the end goes victory;
to the hypocrite goes defeat in the next world.
While both appear to be playing the same game,
in reality they are leagues apart.
Each proceeds to his appropriate dwelling place;
each lives up to his name
Call him a true believer, his soul rejoices.
Call him a hypocrite, he burst into flames.


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22 May 2008, 10:04 am

Delirium wrote:
To Stimshieme:

The Einstein quote in your signature doesn't mean what you think of means. The Spinozan god is more a pantheist view, not the common view of a god. Spinoza was denounced as an atheist when he said that the universe was G-d. Also, Einstein was more agnostic.


Hmm...I've explained this before I only put that there to be "neutral". I like to call it the "Einstein's paradox" and no you didn't have to be pedantic - why would I put a quote there and not know the consequences of it's true meaning? It's the exact opposite of my other atheist quote.



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22 May 2008, 11:28 am

tweety_fan wrote:
muslim has a bad reputation because of the violent elements that is true. and the only press it gets is the kind that focuses on the extreme kind that badmouth other religions
eg: one muslim woman i heard on tv talking about the terrorist attacks in bali "i feel nothing for people that are infidels" she was talking about the victims, which were australian, american, british, local balinese among others... she said others things too, things i will not write here.
on one hand she was protesting about the things people think about islam and say and yet on the other hand she was badmouthing people just because they don't follow her religion. grrrrr.
anyway I am not going to slag off(insult) the decent islamic person (they exist) because of the violent elements. but I will not accept the element that says it is ok for islamic people to insult other religions and races but it is not ok for people to offer constructive criticisim to them.


Dude, wake up, people all over the world criticise others who aren't like them.

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Some muslims prefer to shun the ayas that state "There is no compulsion in religion" for the ones that say " Slay the Pagans wherever you find them!"

After all, it is the only way they'll show they are pious. Being kind and accepting is too much work.


Whatever human beings may do,
they are constantly mimicked by the ape who studies their behaviour.
The ape thinks it's doing the same thing,
but how would that perverse creature know the difference?
Some people are moved to act on God's command,
and some out of perversity.
Hypocrites pray alongside sincere believers out of perversity,
not humble supplication.
In prayer, fasting, pilgrimage and alms-giving,
faithful and hypocrites alike enjoy victory and defeat.
To the faithful in the end goes victory;
to the hypocrite goes defeat in the next world.
While both appear to be playing the same game,
in reality they are leagues apart.
Each proceeds to his appropriate dwelling place;
each lives up to his name
Call him a true believer, his soul rejoices.
Call him a hypocrite, he burst into flames.


There's no aya that states "slay the pagan wherever you may find them".



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22 May 2008, 11:29 am

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Because practicaly every terriorist is a Muslim. I'm not saying Muslims are terriorists but most terriorist seem to be Muslim.


Tamil Tigers?


the IRA? those aren't very muslim like now are they but these guys lay bombs too y'know and they kill people just like all the other terrorists!


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22 May 2008, 2:36 pm

lithium wrote:
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Because practicaly every terriorist is a Muslim. I'm not saying Muslims are terriorists but most terriorist seem to be Muslim.


Tamil Tigers?


the IRA? those aren't very muslim like now are they but these guys lay bombs too y'know and they kill people just like all the other terrorists!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_group

Number of Islamic/Pan-Arab/Muslim-communist terrorist groups = 37

Number of Non-Muslim, non-Arab terrorist groups = 45



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22 May 2008, 2:50 pm

Who is keeping score?