Legalize Marijuana? Stimulate the economy?

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Should marijuana be legalized as a means to stimulate the economy?
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04 Mar 2009, 10:15 am

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We've been down that road. I'm pretty sure, that soon enough with the research continuing, that there will be links found between pot and some kind of mental illness.


Which is a round about way of saying you don't have any evidence cause there isn't any and you're entire aurgument is based on a presonal Prejudice you can't actually justify with any kind of ratinol aurgument.


No, its based on personal experiences.


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04 Mar 2009, 12:26 pm

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Thats what annoys me, people think pot is some friendly little plant that makes them laugh, and thats it. Alchohol is bad, but because binge drinkers have abused it. The way sensible people in Italy etc drink it, thats the way. Sitting outside relaxing, while enjoying a glass of wine. Ok, you could do that with a joint, but pot f**k's people's heads up!


...on what factual basis do you derive this? One could make the same arguments that the sensationalist garbage of Anslinger and others took a relatively harmless plant and demonized it. Your picturesque notion of European drinking is rather quaint, but is no more the rule there than elsewhere. And in cultures where it is banned, it still appears and is imbibed and enjoyed by members of that non-alcohol culture. Anything can be abused; peanut butter causes cancer in large enough doses. Worry about your own self management and consider investing less time in dictating the actions of others, that would be my general suggestion to those who continue to fight the legalization of marijuana and hemp.


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I'm not fighting it. Its not gonna happen in the UK.


Again - personal opinion. And your presumptions are rather disappointing; all substances can have benefit and potential for abuse. Sorry you had such a terrible experience, but I really question whether that makes you qualified to make determinations for everyone on that account.


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04 Mar 2009, 12:54 pm

Seriously, its not gonna become legal in my lifetime, unless the Green Party get in lol.


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04 Mar 2009, 1:08 pm

benjimanbreeg wrote:
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We've been down that road. I'm pretty sure, that soon enough with the research continuing, that there will be links found between pot and some kind of mental illness.


Which is a round about way of saying you don't have any evidence cause there isn't any and you're entire aurgument is based on a presonal Prejudice you can't actually justify with any kind of ratinol aurgument.


No, its based on personal experiences.


There has already been plenty of research linking cannabis use to mental illness. A simple internet search will confirm.

Try this link for instance --> http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention ... renia.html



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04 Mar 2009, 1:16 pm

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We've been down that road. I'm pretty sure, that soon enough with the research continuing, that there will be links found between pot and some kind of mental illness.


Which is a round about way of saying you don't have any evidence cause there isn't any and you're entire aurgument is based on a presonal Prejudice you can't actually justify with any kind of ratinol aurgument.


No, its based on personal experiences.


There has already been plenty of research linking cannabis use to mental illness. A simple internet search will confirm.

Try this link for instance --> http://www.schizophrenia.com/prevention ... renia.html


Yeah, there will be more now that it has been re-classed to B, in the UK.


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04 Mar 2009, 1:35 pm

That only applies if you have schizefreic tendacnices anyway. There is no research that shows cannabis to cause such tendancies, only to make them worse if they already exist.

That website takes quatoes from legitamite studies and then prints them alongside wildly inacurate claims such as increased levels of dopemine causing schizophrenia, it's a genetic condition that can be shaped and bought on by the enviroment but only if you carry the genes for it.

So no cannabis hasn't been lincked too mental illness, not in any respected peer-reviewed scientific journasls anyway. It's been lincked to bringing on and increasing the sevarity for one mental illnes that people need to already ne pre-desposed too.

And BB talking from you're predjeduice and from experience are the same bloody thing. Where else is you're predjudice going to come from if not you're experience?



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04 Mar 2009, 1:35 pm

Legalising mj will do f**k all to stimulate the economy, sorry but that is just ridiculous. First it is easy to grow at home, thus being un-taxable. Secondly what exactly do you mean by stimulate? How? Tax revenue on its own isn't enough to get an economy going again, and the amounts will be too little and too late.

Even if mj should be legalised it has nothing to do with this economic downturn, get real.



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04 Mar 2009, 1:43 pm

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Legalising mj will do f**k all to stimulate the economy, sorry but that is just ridiculous. First it is easy to grow at home, thus being un-taxable. Secondly what exactly do you mean by stimulate? How? Tax revenue on its own isn't enough to get an economy going again, and the amounts will be too little and too late.

Even if mj should be legalised it has nothing to do with this economic downturn, get real.


Please refer back to my previous presentation a few pages back - the one with a picture of a happy, busy John Deere.

Just because it can be grown at home doesn't mean it would be legal or profitable or convenient for everyone to grow their own. And if you've ever tried to grow it (not that I have :roll: ) it's about as easy as brewing your own beer or distilling your own gin. Nice hobby if you have the time and patience. Besides, the results are not quality controlled.


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04 Mar 2009, 1:55 pm

It would definatly stimulate the economy a little, it would provide some jobs and that's nothing to stick you're nose up at right now.

I mean it's not going to life the world out of ressesion but if it puts a few thousand people in steady employment and strips profits from criminal gangs then that's a gotta be a good thing.



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04 Mar 2009, 2:28 pm

oli234 wrote:
That only applies if you have schizefreic tendacnices anyway. There is no research that shows cannabis to cause such tendancies, only to make them worse if they already exist.

That website takes quatoes from legitamite studies and then prints them alongside wildly inacurate claims such as increased levels of dopemine causing schizophrenia, it's a genetic condition that can be shaped and bought on by the enviroment but only if you carry the genes for it.

So no cannabis hasn't been lincked too mental illness, not in any respected peer-reviewed scientific journasls anyway. It's been lincked to bringing on and increasing the sevarity for one mental illnes that people need to already ne pre-desposed too.

And BB talking from you're predjeduice and from experience are the same bloody thing. Where else is you're predjudice going to come from if not you're experience?


I mean all the people I know, who do smoke it. I don't think its really a coincidence they all seem mentally unstable.


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04 Mar 2009, 3:18 pm

"All the people you know" does not constitute any reliable sort of group, nor is your observation qualified to determine whether someone is unstable or not. I know people who can consume alcohol intelligently, and those who abuse it; marijuana is no different.


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04 Mar 2009, 3:23 pm

I don't think it's a coincadence that all the people that I know that smoke pot seem mentally stable.

I'm starting to think that maybe you just don't like some people you know who smoke pot, you're aurguments against it aren't very rational.



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04 Mar 2009, 3:47 pm

Yeah, I used to think the people around me were just normal when I was smoking it too. But now from the outside, I can see it differently. Na, the guys I know are just idiots. They also treat coke like its some harmless thing too. Like the people who i'm talking about, you couldn't just have them round your house to watch a movie or something, they're so fidgity. Or I couldn't take them to a party etc at my golf/tennis club. I'd be ashamed to been seen with them. And I don't really care what people think. They are just in a different world. Thats the best way I can put it really. Probably won't make any sense.


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04 Mar 2009, 4:18 pm

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Just because it can be grown at home doesn't mean it would be legal or profitable or convenient for everyone to grow their own. And if you've ever tried to grow it (not that I have :roll: ) it's about as easy as brewing your own beer or distilling your own gin. Nice hobby if you have the time and patience. Besides, the results are not quality controlled.


The climate needed to grow a decent yield economically is in limited to certain regions. Illegally they can grow it, with illegal electricity that would cost them quite a bit if they were to go legit. Growing a small amounts at home it a lot cheaper than having it imported or paying for it to be grown in a climate that is not suitable.



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05 Mar 2009, 6:46 am

Other people been talking about the same thing pretty much, thought nor just about cannabis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... rohibition

It's a good article, goes onto show that just about everyone who's ever done a serious study into prohibition has reached the same conclusions. It doesn't work.



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05 Mar 2009, 10:46 am

oli234 wrote:
Other people been talking about the same thing pretty much, thought nor just about cannabis.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... rohibition

It's a good article, goes onto show that just about everyone who's ever done a serious study into prohibition has reached the same conclusions. It doesn't work.


Good article. Thanks for sending and I learned something!

If I were one of these Latin American countries, I'd be campaigning my ass off to ease the laws. They are clearly losing the "war" and the carnage has mutliplied in just the past year. At that rate, our neighbors to the South will look something like Afghanistan. (OK - a little extreme but think about it) I am encouraged that they are taking the initiative to go to the UN. In the past, the US always did their bidding and look how well that turned out.


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