[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Yes sure, but what about the civilian lives? like last I heard there are like 1,400 Israeli casualties and 8,000 Palestinian civilian casualties and at least 3,000 children have been killed, and that does not sit well with me. Like there should at least be some attempt to avoid that kind of casualties.

I agree.
In fact, I hope this government does not remain in office for a long time (if I have interpreted the Italian one correctly).

The phrase you hear is said by people who don't know Fascism.

Which is a horrible dictatorship.

Just like Communism is.

In Italy it was born to immediately oppose Communism: officially it was born in 1919, therefore many years before Nazism.

I also write to you that in Italy people have never really been against Fascism, from this statement comes that "No" and nothing has changed before and after the armistice of 1943.

My great-grandparents, grandparents and parents were against Fascism.

And fascinated by democracy.

Everyone, even today, says illogical phrases about Fascism, but also about wars whose histories and precedents they don't know at all.

You see, they only report what is reported to them by the mass media as if they were human Parrots.

And they are all so experts in world history, but without ever having studied it.

One thing differentiates Italy before the latest generations (I calculate a new generation every 2 years, not for example 25 years. Here there is an impressive generation gap, but also between children between 11 and 13 years old, 13 and 15 years old, 15 and 17 years old, and so on, just to give you an idea.

I'm not writing about young ages and it just changes every two years up to those ages and the difference is 4 years up to 30. From 30 to 40 the gap is reduced by 10 years. Between 30 years of life and 40 years of 20 , then after that it stabilizes

*Important: do you know why Fascism was even born?

Because your previous President Wilson, with whom we were allies in the First World War, put Italy in a third-rate position internationally.

And it gave almost nothing in the way of territories requested by the then Italian Government.
In addition to the fact that the returning soldiers are those who survived the fighting in a war of position.

Against an enemy who used gases (Mustard gas and various others) as we do, many died from hunger, disease, mass deportations and genocide.

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Fascism was born precisely because of these two things.
Post-war US attitude, and Communism to be fought, and still to be fought, therefore the actions against Communism which arouse so much uncertainty from you too, in Italy are seen as indispensable.

*We (Italy) are a few kilometers from Nations of Strong Communist Faith.

Throughout the post-war period we were the last bastion (last Western nation) to oppose Communism.

Until the 80s of the last century, there was Red Terrorism (Communist) and Black Terrorism (Fascist).

Which perhaps you don't know many things about, perhaps you don't even know anything about it.

The disconcerting thing is that the Italian kids take sides, those were university students, where we study history for 8 years at school.

They should know many things.


If you look carefully and with attentive eyes there are not many Western Nations that do not have Fascism in them.

The two states at war are Israel and Palestine.

Keep writing "Hamas".

As if in the Russian-Ukrainian War, it was written that the Ukrainians are terrorist rebels of a Fascist faction.

It would be absurd, right?

Explain to me why a war between states is mystified?

And what is different between wars?

Are there the righteous and good against the bad and terrorists?

Are those who write these things in the newspapers really writing the truth?

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In those demonstrations we take sides against the war.

Then we take sides against the Israeli Government which is using weapons that the others do not have and have been in serious difficulty for decades, even struggling to survive.

*That's why people took sides.

In those demonstrations the phrases are shared between us and the Palestinians.

Be very careful because we are close to the conflict here, and we have a lot of closeness with the Palestinians.

The wrong is:
1) Attribute the Word Fascism to a people.

Israelis are not Fascists.

The Palestinians are not Terrorists, because if you polarize things on that, you willfully commit a serious mistake.

No one would want Hamas.

But if we could only eliminate Hamas, do you think it would change anything?

There would be other forces to oppose, as they may.

Why pay attention to this too: guerrilla warfare and terrorism do not arise by chance.


There are political, human reasons, denied survival, systematic annihilation with other methods, many people struggle to live because they do not have food, water, and essential goods.

2) The war must end.

Instead we are only fueling it (we Westerners).

3) Some Communist nations like China would have nothing but advantages if both populations were not present.

Israel is pitting itself against world powers that could destroy it in the future.

4) One should act for peace politically.

Truce.
By re-discussing equal living conditions for both, same access to well-being and the possibility of life, eliminate the state of pure terror in which both peoples live, recognizing each other as PEOPLE.

And not "elements" to be eliminated forever


p.s: p.s.: I have to apologize to you because I'm not good at writing in English and some sentences appear to be directed at you.

Instead I'm in general, and your post was interesting to write some important things.

I reread my writing and it's unclear, sorry, that wasn't my intention.
Usually they are posts that I write in one of the Italian languages ​​in a few minutes.
While here I double check, I get them wrong: I should rewrite entire sentences but instead I only translate a few words.

And find a valid way to express myself in English.

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Are you on drugs?

Cant you read? He just explained it to you.

So you shoot a super smart missile at, or drop a super smart bunker busting bomb, on where you THINK a tunnel is (sorry, satellites alone cant tell you where thier tunnels are- you need human intel). This bomb has to be both accurate, and be able to delay exploding until it hits its underground target, and not be a dud and TO explode when it finnally gets to its deep underground target. So even if you shoot at the right nieghborhood that is above the enemy tunnel and your smart missle/bomb does everything you want it to do...it still has to drill through the tall building (floor by floor), drill into the basement, and then drill into the soil beneath the building. and then pop out inside the enemy tunnel, and then explode. So even if its on target and doesnt explode prematurely it will have done a lot structural damage to the building above the tunnel by boring a hole through all its stories. Then if it reaches the tunnel and explodes in the targeted tunnel beneath the building, it will create a big hallow space beneath the building ..causing the whole building to fall into it and just collapse - killing everyone still surviving in the building. So you might get two three HAMAS fighters holded up in the tunnel...for the price of killing five dozen civilians in the building above. And thats if everything goes right.

@Blitzkrieg, I didn't read his post, sorry.
I read yours and I know you are very kind.

You use a stress phrase that people who are sensitive and instinctive use a phrase a little tough

In a forum style of disagreement.

Generally, when you care a lot about an issue, you sometimes respond with stress.

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You are right about the content of your post.

Exactly what is particularly close to my heart.

We must prevent the targets from hitting defenseless people, children and civilians, who have nothing to do with Hamas or various excuses.

In fact, war should be avoided.

But they no longer have the courage to avoid war.

So it's devastating for people.

It also happens in other forgotten wars, such as those in Chechnya, the genocide of the Kurds and other populations.

What you write makes a lot of sense.

p.s.: maybe he responded differently than you expected and has no idea how the attacks are actually carried out.

These wars involve these massacres of defenseless people.

This concept does not pass.

And the concept that THERE IS NO PEOPLE WHO IS RIGHT about the other does not even pass.


Never.

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1. Sounds cheap and effective compared to hanging out there for a year. Just blow it all up and eliminate hamas headquarters & their travel routes. Might even take out the terrorist leader beans.

2. Bonus if it creates a hallow space. God approved!

Yes he takes drugs, does it affect his opinions - doubt it.



I think the issue maybe whose God

Anti-war protesters repeatedly interrupt Senate hearing on Israel

^ Maybe I've been on WP too long but the biggest issues I have with some of the protesters comments are the generalizations “The world is calling for a cease-fire!” “The American people don’t want to support this brutal war."

It's pretty dumb to think Israel shouldn't counter-attack hamas after they were attacked and had ~1300 military & civilian casualties, a couple hundred kidnappings etc. What exactly do these protesters think should happen? Nothing ? Get real. The terrorist government of Gaza attacked Israel and now they're getting crushed for it.

I wonder what hamas figured would happen.. nothing? Lol yeah right, Israel has more military resources than them. Or were they counting on more support from Iran or hezbollah or others in the region to jump in and fight with them ? Or was it purely some sort of strange fanatic suicide mission and they didn't care what happened next ?

Who knows. But it's pretty dumb of protesters anywhere to think Israel shouldn't counter-attack hamas after being attacked. IMO.

Most people would have no problem with them counterattacking Hamas. The majority of people being killed are civilians, including, perhaps, thousands of innocent children although it’s hard to say what the exact number is.

How, exactly, do you propose they kill hamas who use civilians as human shields, without any civilian deaths?

If that were realistically possible I'm sure someone would be on it.

I'm also not of the belief that Israel is doing their absolute best not to kill any civilians, either. Both sides seem to view each others' children and future soldiers/terrorists and have dehumanized them enough to be plenty okay with murdering them.

But still, I don't think there's any easy way to simply kill the hamas terrorist government and leave everyone else completely unscathed.

The reality is that Israel has killed far more civilians (perhaps 3 or 4 times as many) than Hamas did during the terrorist attacks.

What makes you think that? How do you know other suggestions haven’t been made? Is this something you’ve researched in a meaningful way?

Most countries and humanitarian organizations disapprove of Israel’s behavior. It’s not just about “dumb” protesters.

Do you have the definitive "how to kill hamas but not civilians," plan ? Feel free to share.

I didn’t say that I did. I didn’t even say that killing Hamas should be the current goal. I just think it’s unwise to call protesters “dumb” when one doesn’t have all the facts and doesn’t seem to be knowledgeable about the topic as a whole.

I would never condone killing huge numbers of innocent people the way Israel is doing. It could result in a much wider conflict. Many governments and organizations, including the U.N., are urging a ceasefire and negotiations.

https://press.un.org/en/2023/ga12548.doc.htm

I don’t claim to be an expert on diplomacy. I do care about human rights and humanitarian issues, though.

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1. Eliminating hamas is an understandable goal of Israel's. Why shouldn't it be the goal to eliminate the terrorist organization who's goal it is to kill you?

2. It's dumb to protest Israel retaliating against hamas. Why should they be expected to be attacked by terrorist neighbours and not retaliate? Ridiculous.

3. I never said innocent people should be killed, only that it's likely impossible to kill only the hamas terrorists that are hiding behind (beneath) civilians. Blame hamas for using human shields.

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1. I didn’t say it shouldn’t be the goal. However, if achieving that goal would result in the deaths of thousands upon thousands of innocent people, the cons may, presently, outweigh the pros.

2. Once again, you are quick to call a position “dumb” without appearing to know much about it. That does not help your argument. You may want to read up on the topic more, with reputable sources like the U.N., so you can understand the other side better even if, ultimately, you do not agree with it.

They aren’t just attacking their terrorist neighbors. They are mostly attacking civilians.

3. No, Israel deserves a significant amount of blame, historically and currently. Hamas is evil, but that doesn’t mean that Israel is good.