[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Since Hammas uses their own people as shields then I don’t doubt they bully the locals or use money to bribe poor people into silence.
I bet those tunnels are like a maze and wouldn’t doubt some are ancient.
But how would all the people living in an apartment building know there was a Hammas nest under the building if they entered by a tunnel?
My daughter said Egypt drained sewers in the tunnels once to try and flood them out but I haven’t fact checked this.
The Israeli people don’t seem to be too happy with Netanyahu right now.I think some suspect he knew this was going to happen.

1. That's your personal judgement. Israel seems to be okay with collateral damage if it means the terrorists who attack and murder them are dead and gone.

2. I have as much information as anyone else reading news headlines and am entitled to MY OPINION that it is dumb to expect Israel not to counter-attack hamas. Full stop, period. You're not obligated to agree with me but it's ridiculous to discount me as uninformed for having a different opinion than you. Knock it off, it's not a good look for you.

3. They've both been at each other for a long time. Such is the nature of enemies. Absurd to expect Israel to just accept terrorist attacks that murder their soldiers and babies & take a couple hundred hostages and then not retaliate with what might they can muster. Shame a bunch of civilians got caught up in their government's terrorist activities, but it is what it is and it's entirely reasonable for Israel to wipe hamas off the face of the earth given what's transpired.

I’m free to say whatever I like as long as I’m not breaking the rules. I will NOT “knock it off.” If you label the other side as “dumb,” it’s clear that you don’t fully understand it.

I keep on seeing the dehumanizing term “collateral damage.” Since most people who are dying are civilians, the term doesn’t seem to do justice to reality.

We may have different views on morality. Hamas and Israel have both committed atrocities and war crimes. Both have killed innocent civilians, including babies and children, although, at this point, Israel has killed more. The terrorist attacks do not justify Israel’s current brutality. Israel’s decades-long mistreatment and oppression of Palestine did not justify the terrorist attacks. More than one group can be wrong. Note my signature.

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Not likely money.. there isn't any. Limited food/medicine/fuel etc.. which is why the average age is 18 - low life expectancy.

If the tunnel entrance is elsewhere, maybe they don't know. Who knows? Would only be guessing whether they know they're above hamas tunnels or they don't know.

Back in the first few pages of this thread there were links to articles suggesting the Israeli government had advanced intel that an attack was imminent and that they let it happen in order to retaliate so netanyahu could become the "war time president," and rally voters behind him. Some sort of Israeli trump kind of BS. Entirely possible - in which case I'm sure some Israelis support him, and others don't.

I heard on some news clip recently that the average Israeli government lasts just 1.9 years or something like that and netanyahu's time was coming up.. so, makes even more stupid sense that he'd want to hold onto power as the hamas busting war time president. BUT, even if Israel had intel that an attack was being planned.. Israel didn't MAKE hamas attack, take hostages, nor murder babies. They did that on their own and now comes the find out part after they f****d around.

It's irritating that you suggest I don't understand. I understand just fine and think people who think Israel shouldn't retaliate are dumb. That is my opinion of them.

Here's a graphic to help you understand my position:



Wtf were they expecting to happen after they attack military bases, a music festival, take 200+ hostages and decapitate babies? Nothing ?? Get real. hamas has brought Israel's wrath upon themselves and Palestinian civilians ought to HATE their government for it.

If you think Israel’s only two options were to engage in their current behavior or do “nothing,” then you do seem to be uninformed. Once again, reading about the other side’s position from reputable sources might be useful.

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Palestinian civilians ought to hate Hammas but they will hate Israel instead. And rekindle the conflict again some decades later, even if physical destroying of Hammas succeeded this time.

Honestly, I don't know what should be done. Every possible decision seems bad.

I’m also concerned about a wider conflict, not that the current situation isn’t horrific enough.

I can understand retaliation and I can also sympathize with the Palestine people being bombed.( NOT Hammas )
This conflict is old and I try to see both sides.I can understand wanting a safe space where people don’t have to worry about being Jewish and being attacked for it.
I can also understand the anger when new settlers come in and occupy lands and cut down peoples ancient olive trees.
I think there was a chance for peace with Rabin ,but he was assassinated by a Jewish zealot.Some people thought he was a traitor because of the peace talks with Arafat.
I think when he died so did any chance of peace.

Yes.

IMO, it's already in motion and inevitable. Long time enemies fighting w/ each sides allies gearing up to feed their for profit war machines at the expense of taxpayers everywhere. The likes of blackwater and lockheed martin are foaming at the mouth to watch this middle east fireworks show kick into high gear asap and last for as long as they can keep cashing cheques.

It’s probably inevitable at this point although it certainly wasn’t. This situation was stewing for decades and nothing proactive or reasonable was ever done about it, not that I’m excusing Hamas by any means. It’s just absurd to use October 7th as the starting point. Piss-poor behavior has been occurring for decades.

I do wonder if it was the starting point.

Like I said many pages ago, it wouldn't surprise me if all these as*holes that run the world were in a room or on a conference call months and months ago deciding that we need a good war to kickstart the war economy post covid let's get on with it and get things sizzling in the middle east.

Far too much money to be made by too many people to allow peace to get in the way of things.

But, maybe everyone else is just reacting to the events of October 7th. Maybe.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I didn't claim it. I said I wonder and it wouldn't surprise me.

Sociopaths seeking profit will do whatever it takes.. and the USA, and other countries, rely on war as a massive profit generating industry. ~$740B/year budget + the Billions & Billions in arms they supply other countries with. That's a lot of rea$on$ to create and sustain a(nother) war.

War machine is always hungry.
Who knows what goes on in back rooms all over the world?
Maybe best not to know.
Ignorance is bliss.