[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.

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Life expectancy is low with no food/medicine etc, so average age is lower.

Not much else to do besides procreate.

Could be more that sex is a high priority for the males there and the birth rate is simply a side effect ?

Islamist ideology indoctornation + poverty + lack of education are often correlated with a high birth rate, Gaza has the highest birth rate among Palestinian populations. I don't think they had easy access to contraception or abortion in Gaza either.




More recent data: https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/ ... aza-strip/

It's a very long list of ethnically cleansed villages...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_t ... estine_war

Netanyahu will not be staying long in power once the war is over. The public blames him for a lot of reasons.

What Israel did in helping create Hamas is very similar to what the U.S. did when it helped Bin Ladin. Israel helped Hamas because it thought Hamas would be the lesser of two evils compared to the PLO. America helped Bin Ladin because they thought Bin Ladin was the lesser evil when in comparison to Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Israel and America believed that Hamas and Bin Ladin would be grateful for the help. That mistake would come both at the high cost of lives of innocent civilians in their homelands, and in the ensuing war innocent civilians in the places they attacked leaving both viewed as war criminal nations. Unlike the Americans at least the Israelis are attacking those responsible for attacking them.

Culture. That's my guess, different culture, different definition of 'many kids'. There are approx 50,000 pregnant women in Gaza who are facing a "nightmare,"

I guess opinions aside, whatever we say, is not going to stop them. It's almost like a Jewish holy war.

you're absolutely right that Netanyahu has some of the blood of the recent Israeli civilian victims of HAMAS on his hands because...you're right...he helped to nurture HAMAS.

But the rest of what you said is nonsense.

Netanyahu favored HAMAS over the PLO/PA exactly BECAUSE they were the GREATER of the two evils.
But HAMAS was a better tool for his personal ambitions.

Bibi never expected HAMAS to be "grateful" to him for anything (that would be like expecting gratitude from a rabid dog). He did what he did because he wanted the Israeli voters to be "grateful" to him. If he had allowed the moderate PLO to gain strength Israel he would have been forced to negotiate with Palestine. If he allowed the fanatical HAMAS to prevail then he wouldnt need to negotiate and would be free to wage all out war...thereby making himself look like the White Knight defending Israel from terrorism. He played with fire...and surprise...Israel got burned.

And what do you mean by saying "at least is going after those actually responsible...". The US fought Al Queda in Afghanistan and eventually got Ben Laden. So how is Israel doing anything better than we did?

The birthrate has been decreasing in Palestine over the past several decades.





The birthrate in the Gaza Strip is currently somewhere around 3.5, apparently.

https://www.census.gov/data-tools/demo/ ... countryViz

Hamas in Bibi’s mind was the lesser of two evils because a PLO state was the worst of two evils. That does not mean Bibi thought Hamas were nice people but outside of Hitler to Stalin how often do even evil actors turn on those who helped them to such a degree? Probably “grateful” was the wrong word “returning the favor” is probably a better term for what I had in mind.

The main effort of the “War on Terror” was Iraq which had nothing to do with 9/11. The other military actions especially under Bush were show for the American public. If the U.S. wanted to get the people responsible for 9/11 our prime target would have been the Saudi Royal family. Considering the business ties between the Bush Family and the Saudi Royal family that was not going to happen.

My intended audience for the post was Americans whom are correctly but sometimes righteously pointing the finger at Bibi. It was intended to say look in the mirror. The “at least” remark was intended to buttress that point. Perhaps using sarcasm in an Autism forum was the wrong thing to do.

What do you mean by “righteously?”

Perhaps most Americans who are against current actions being taken in Gaza were also against specific actions carried out during the War on Terror (admittedly, to a greater or lesser extent depending on individual variation). If it were displayed on a Venn diagram, I’d expect to see a significant overlap. I don’t see why people’s views regarding humanitarian and political issues should be limited to their own neck of the woods.

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Such A Beautiful Day in Florida, Azure Blue Crisp Clear
Skies; First Real Few Fall Days Recently Replacing a Screen

on Our Patio, Entering the Cave Again From a Real Flowering Eden,

How Dare A Gnat

Try to Escape

The Drought

From Outside

Seeking Moisture

From my Skin; i Was going

to Mercilessly Crush that Gnat

in my FIST Yet i Thought about Over

Three Thousand Dead Children in Palestine and i Let the

Gnat Go;

Similar to When

my Child Died After

51 Days of Excruciating

Pain in Shand's Hospital; my

Father the Tough Law Enforcement Dude,

When Ryan Was in Surgery, Told me to Raise Him Like

A Man as Of Course my Mother Taught me to Smile; Not

Usually

Part of
His Repertoire
in 46 Years of Law Enforcement...

i Understood How to Grieve, i Held that

Child in my Arms for the Mercy of Being

Disconnected From All those Machines; Never EVER

A Smile in His Life; Never a Breath on His Own; Never

Even Blood Circulating Correctly to His Heart, What they

Tried to Correct in that Surgery When the Big Surgeon With

Huge Hands Said, "Kiss Your Baby GoodBye," Yet You See i Had the

Gift of Tears and SMiLes, i Cried as i Waited For the Last HeART Beat

of Mercy

Death Brings...

my Father Just Said,

"oh NO, Don't Tell me

Anymore Bad News," And

After That the Man With Likely a Bigger

Gun Collection and Knife Collection Than AnyBody

on This 'Special Interest Website,' Said He Just Couldn't Be

A 'Deer Hunter' anymore; He Just Didn't Have it in him to Kill anymore...

i Heard Stories about my Father in Law Enforcement, Some Sounded Heroic

From Family; And Some Sounded Cruel, Heartless, Without Mercy; True, He Was Extremely

Racist; Very Homophobic; and Really Not Religious Yet of Course Very 'Capitalist;' Not sure

if the Term

Republican
Fully Fit Him

Or Not Yet i'm Just

Glad He Left at 3, So

i Could Really Become a Fuller Human Being...

Chances Are Most of Those Called Up Reservists in Israel

So Far Haven't Used a Weapon Close-up to Kill Any Children;

'Surgical Strikes' From Air Seem So 'Clean And Satisfying' When

Little Children's

Heads are Exploding

in Their Grandmother's Incinerated Arms...

Perhaps We Don't Understand Suffering Enough...

Perhaps When We Finally Do, More of Us Will Become More Human indeed...

To Be Crystal Clear, i Was Just As Disgusted With What Hamas Did; A Vicious Cycle

of Fear,
Hate,

Anger,

And Killing,

Fortunately Many

of Us Never Have to
Face; The Horror of What Humanity is
Capable of in Worst Nightmares Come to Fruition For Real...

What Would i Do if was in 'Their Shoes;' We Never Really Know till We Are...

Just Another

Day of Beautiful

Florida Weather, With Gnats
Doing Their Best to Stay Alive...

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The Royal Saudi family? What are you talking about?

There’s no evidence of any link between Saudi’s Royal family/officials and the 9/11 attacks.

One of the major goals of Al Qaeda was to overthrown the royal family and establish an even more islamist regime.
And Bin Laden was expelled from Saudi Arabia long before the 9/11 attacks.

This makes sense to me. But the only accountability Netanyahu will face is at the polling booth at the next Israeli general elections. I can't seem him being forcibly removed. In any case it seems pointless to keep pointing the finger at him. Israel is committed to a ground offensive. The only hope for a de-escalation is international pressure on Israel. For that to happen there must be incentives which has to involve HAMAS being forced to given back the remaining hostages and the creation of a larger buffer zone between Gaza and Israel.

The problem here is HAMAS. What motive is there for them? I think they would like to see a longer protracted war as it serves their (and their allies in Iran) long term interests. This doesn't bode well for the remaining hostages.

The IDF know even if they take every foot of land in Gaza and interrogate every civilian (logistically impossible) HAMAS will successfully hide sleeper cells in the Palestinian population and the seeds for another "interfada" or terror attack will be sown down the track. Meanwhile Israel will continue their blockade so encouraging the next generation of Palestinians to be brainwashed by extremist ideology. Even the most positive outlook is not encouraging for the future of the region.

@Cyberdad


Why do you shift your attention to other things?

We're going OT in the thread.

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What you write has no logic.

The reality is very different.

1) The genocide that the Palestinians suffer, the torture, the unacceptable deprivations, the death have no justification whatsoever.

2) Hamas is not =Palestine.

But an organization that uses terrorist acts from which I totally dissociate myself.

The War is Israel against the civilians of Palestine.
Helpless.

It's fine with you that it happens like this, but not with me, not at all.

3) The persecutory acts and the killings, mutilations, tortures and deprivations of every good for survival have been going on for decades.

Don't focus your attention on the Prime Minister that Israel has now.

It happened before him too.

These are unacceptable facts.

4) You edited one of my posts by deleting EVERYTHING and leaving two lines!

Then you quoted two lines.


I wrote you much more, you can also consult it by clicking on my nickname if you want, but you don't want to, because you don't have the will to do so.

The result is that you do not respond to fundamental points in order to remain fixed on your concepts of deliberate extermination while also thinking that this is right.

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/abou ... and-isreal

a Save the Children study found this year.

Your sanctimony about "using sarcasm on an autistic website" backfires. A site populated by NTs would pillory you worse than we are. And the reason is you...not the audience. And part of your problem maybe, ironically, and since you brought up autism, because you seem to be impaired in theory of mind. Without warning you jumped from one topic (comparing US and Israeli military actions) to a completely different topic (your conspiracy theory about the involvement by the House of Saud in 9-11) without even telling the reader that you're making this leap. No one, American or NT or both(even if they agreed with you) could be expected to follow that concealed jump of the tracks in your train of thought.

And I think that you're a bit naive to think that Netanyahu actually ever thought that the Palestinian Authority was more dangerous to Israel than HAMAS. Netanyahu was an as*hole opposed to a peace process, and he knew that HAMAS- was the same, but that both Israeli moderates and the PLO were actually interested in peace. So to outflank the moderates in both nations he cynically backed HAMAS knowing HAMAS would deliver more war. And SURPRISE ...thats what Netanyahu got. More war.

Or thats how it looks to me.

On top of that he was already in trouble for his Trump/Nixon style corruption and constitutional scandals. And some Israelies link those scandals to him being distracted and asleep at the security wheel...and allowing the recent attacks.

But on that certain level you're right about the general similarity between US policy and Israeli policy...the policy of nurturing Islamism to subvert secular Arab nationalism. Noam Chomsky talks about how the US had long done that throughout the mideast in the belief that Islamism would be easier to control, and less of a threat, and would be more of threat to our one time Soviet adversaries...than secular Arab nationalism.

1. Up to now what has happened to the Palestinians has not been classified as genocide, Otherwise the western nations and NATO would have slapped sanctions on Israel.
2. HAMAS may not be universally supported by Palestine but the fact they are now in charge means some level of support from the general population. It seems strange if Palestinians don't support terror then why did they (including hundreds of women and children) dance in the streets following 9-11 and more recently widespread celebration at the murder of Israeli civilians? it seems pro-Palestinian folk seem to have selective blinkers on what Palestinians do in their actions
3. Israel has also been the target of terrorism for decades from the inception of the state.
4. I focused on two lines because they represented a sticky point I wanted to address first before tackling the rest of your post.