15 Jun 2023, 3:20 pm
I am surprised nobody has targeted classical music yet? Imagine bopping to a tune that slave masters would have been humming as they were being abusive. Come to think of it organisers of public events already avoid playing Wagner due to his association with the Nazi regime.
So you're in favor of retaining Confederate Statues?
Yes they should be retained in museums under an exhibit called the era of "white supremacy"
Exactly. You want them removed. Which is what I thought was your position.
But then it looked like you had suddenly switched sides were joining the other side.
I asked because ...your post about classical music is SO massively dumb, on so many levels, that I thought you were being sarcastic, and were purposely lampooning the "de-colonizing" pov.
So it turns out that you were not TRYING to make the anti-statue pov look ridiculous. You made it look ridiculous by accident by arguing for it.
Got it!
But dont worry about it. All of the pro statue folks on this thread were all also shooting themselves in the foot as well.
Among the many reasons your post is asinine is...if an 18th century American slave owning planter were to buy the latest sheet music composed by say Mozart- it wouldnt make Mozart (across the sea in Vienna) guilty of causing slavery. So it would be ridiculous to cancel Mozart ,and all of the body of classical music, because of American slavery.
An individual composer can be problematic, like the late 19th century German composer Richard Wagner. He was a German hypernationalist, and an antisemite, and was basically a Nazi before Nazism was a thing. And Hitler and the Nazis took his music to heart and used it at the Nuremburg rallies etc..
If the subject interests you then you should be aware that they are changing how music history is taught in college in the last few years. I took a music appreciation course a few years ago - they now give more due to women composers of centuries ago than they used to (turns out that not all of the pre 20 century composers were men). And there is more interest in the work of Chevalier (the Black Mozart) who lived during, and participated in, the French Revolution. In fact theyre coming out with a movie about him.
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Confederate monument melted down to create new, more inclusive public art
by Debbie Elliott, October 26, 2023, at 15:00 EST, for National Public Radio (NPR)
Charlottesville prevailed in a protracted legal battle with the Sons of Confederate Veterans and other groups, and donated the Lee statue to a coalition that proposed to melt it down and create a more inclusive public art installation.
The work is being done at an out-of-state foundry. NPR agreed not to reveal its location or the identity of the workers because they fear repercussions. For security reasons, few people were invited to watch.
The project is called "Swords into Plowshares", taken from a Bible verse in the book of Isaiah.
A furnace is ignited and heats to more than 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit in a side yard of the foundry. Workers feed pieces of the verdigris statue, including General Lee's saber, into a large vessel inside called a crucible.
Just after nightfall, foundry workers remove the crucible which glows a bright red-orange, and pour the steaming molten bronze into molds.
The melting down of the Lee statue will take weeks. It weighed nearly 10,000 pounds. Organizers say the next step will be choosing an artist who will craft the bronze ingots into a new art form to be displayed in Charlottesville.
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He will judge between the nations
and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks.
Nation will not take up sword against nation,
nor will they train for war anymore.
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