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16 Dec 2021, 4:31 am

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I don’t know if you worded poorly or have trouble with the concept, but “reasonable doubt” does not require a weak case be tested in court. Instead, it serves as a deterrent to taking a weak case to trial. .


I'm not a lawyer (a caveat I already made) but I assumed reasonable doubt about whether he (Rittenhouse) committed these acts in a criminal manner mean't it was required to be tested in court.

Putting aside the legal waffle you and the three amigos are trying to baffle the rest of us with, at the end of the day two unarmed people were shot dead and even if they were Nazis I would expect a trial.



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16 Dec 2021, 5:05 am

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Putting aside the legal waffle you and the three amigos are trying to baffle the rest of us with ...


I can’t speak for anyone else, but my intent is to be the opposite of baffling. I try to use plain language that might make understanding the law easier. Part of my paid job is to simplify complication legal statutes into plain English clients can understand. If my writing is baffling when I try to explain law, I consider that a failure on my part.


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16 Dec 2021, 5:27 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
cyberdad wrote:

Putting aside the legal waffle you and the three amigos are trying to baffle the rest of us with ...


I can’t speak for anyone else, but my intent is to be the opposite of baffling. I try to use plain language that might make understanding the law easier. Part of my paid job is to simplify complication legal statutes into plain English clients can understand. If my writing is baffling when I try to explain law, I consider that a failure on my part.


Nah, don't take it personally, I'm intellectually lazy sometimes.



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16 Dec 2021, 2:22 pm

DW_a_mom, he is dismissive, it's not you.


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16 Dec 2021, 8:27 pm

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DW_a_mom, he is dismissive, it's not you.


I think she was trying to say that her attempt to deconstruct wordy/complex legal language into plain English was not successful if somebody like myself could not follow the flow of information to outline/delineate the process of the legal system in action.

I was not being dismissive, I have maintained that the legal system in Wisconsin has not delivered justice to the families of the shooting victims. And I am not the only one apparently.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/petersuciu ... 9f3e8e4232

https://metro.co.uk/2021/11/19/family-o ... -15635146/



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16 Dec 2021, 8:39 pm

cyberdad wrote:
I was not being dismissive


I personally believe Smudge was referring to a different exchange (someone else), but it isn’t crystal clear (nor would I want it to be, honestly; that would require calling someone out).


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17 Dec 2021, 6:35 am

That's right, it was not cyberdad. I saw the same person being warned by a mod before for dismissing your comments.


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17 Dec 2021, 8:35 pm

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That's right, it was not cyberdad. I saw the same person being warned by a mod before for dismissing your comments.


Got it.



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21 Dec 2021, 9:00 pm

Kyle Rittenhouse being paid by Turning Point USA to be a conservative rock star
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/k ... cna1286334

The video is crazy



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21 Dec 2021, 9:14 pm

A lot of people are complaining about how the system is corrupt for Kyle being acquitted and how his 'dream team' of lawyers is part of that.

But people don't seem to be talking about how incompetent and illogical the prosecutors were in this case. They kept failing to sell the story, and then when the defense managed to introduce surprises that the prosecution should have seen coming, the prosecution then tries to change their story and change what they are trying to sell and trying to force a different narrative to the jury as a result.

So I feel that the prosecution was terrible, and this was not a result of a corrupt system as to why Kyle went free. It's a result of an incompetent system or at least these prosecutors. So when people talk about defunding the police and moving that money to other things, wouldn't moving that money to get better prosecutors be one of the ways to go?



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21 Dec 2021, 9:19 pm

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A lot of people are complaining about how the system is corrupt for Kyle being acquitted and how his 'dream team' of lawyers is part of that.

But people don't seem to be talking about how incompetent and illogical the prosecutors were in this case. They kept failing to sell the story, and then when the defense managed to introduce surprises that the prosecution should have seen coming, the prosecution then tries to change their story and change what they are trying to sell and trying to force a different narrative to the jury as a result.

So I feel that the prosecution was terrible, and this was not a result of a corrupt system as to why Kyle went free. It's a result of an incompetent system or at least these prosecutors. So when people talk about defunding the police and moving that money to other things, wouldn't moving that money to get better p
rosecutors be one of the ways to go?


Which is all well and good but why pay him and promote him?? What exactly has he done to deserve this celebrity?



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21 Dec 2021, 9:22 pm

Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?



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21 Dec 2021, 9:31 pm

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Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?


If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

To me it's deplorable.



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21 Dec 2021, 9:34 pm

I see what you mean, yes.



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21 Dec 2021, 10:07 pm

cyberdad wrote:
If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

To me it's deplorable.


Coming from the most shameless person on this board who routinely attempts to rope politics into every tragedy, that's hilarious. Sucks to be you.


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21 Dec 2021, 10:31 pm

Dox47 wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

To me it's deplorable.


Coming from the most shameless person on this board who routinely attempts to rope politics into every tragedy, that's hilarious. Sucks to be you.


You forgot clutching pearls, being hyperpartisan and not knowing what cancel culture is.