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21 Dec 2021, 10:33 pm

Well another thing is Kyle has been lied about by the media and the President for being a white supremacist when no one could prove it. So can you really blame him for wanting to 'strike back' in a sense, and cashing in on some sort of celebrity status. If you have been defamed for sins without proof by the world, wouldn't you want to strike back at the world, with your fame and notoriety from that, if you could?

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21 Dec 2021, 10:38 pm

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routinely attempts to rope politics into every tragedy.

Oh speaking of weaving politics into tragedy, isn't Turning Point USA a front for the republican party?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... cs-tactics

Your little hero Kyle isn't worried making a buck from dead people he killed ( do you admire that? not surprised really) while promoting himself and his friends in the republican party.

Nice piece of distraction...

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21 Dec 2021, 10:48 pm

What does Kyle have to do with the republican party? What does this case have to do with politics?

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21 Dec 2021, 10:50 pm

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Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?

If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

You seem more confused than usual...

As determined by the court, it was Mr Rittenhouse who was the victim of crime here, and it was the assailants\those assaulting him who were the perpetrators.

Trying to portray violent attackers as victims seems a rather low act and a poor attempt at blame-shifting.

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21 Dec 2021, 10:57 pm

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Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?

If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

Oh but was I portraying the attackers as victims though?

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21 Dec 2021, 11:12 pm

ironpony wrote:

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cyberdad wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?

If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

Oh but was I portraying the attackers as victims though?

I think you may have mis-read what I was saying, and what it was in responce to...

My comment wasn't in responce to what you had said there - It was to the post between yours and mine where the victim of multiple attacks, who was forced to fire his rifle in self defence, was being treated as the aggressor in the events, while the actual agressors were being portrayed as innocent victims.

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21 Dec 2021, 11:19 pm

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You forgot clutching pearls, being hyperpartisan and not knowing what cancel culture is.

I don't list all of your flaws every time, it would run pages.

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22 Dec 2021, 12:20 am

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What does Kyle have to do with the republican party? What does this case have to do with politics?

He has thrown his lot with the republicans because they have been championing his case (one could argue interfering with the impartiality of the judicial process)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kyle-ritt ... -him-a-job

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22 Dec 2021, 12:24 am

Brictoria wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?

If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

The line between perpetrator and victim in the Rittenhouse case seems to still be open to subjective interpretation to those outside of the US legal system.

I am curious if he even should be allowed to profit from the proceeds stemming from killing two people?

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22 Dec 2021, 12:36 am

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What does Kyle have to do with the republican party? What does this case have to do with politics?

Oh okay I see. Is it bad that he does that though? I mean it seems that democrats have demonized him, so that would drive anyone to 'turn to the other side', if one side demonizes him and the other side champions him... Wouldn't most people turn to the side that doesn't demonize you?

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22 Dec 2021, 3:38 am

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What does Kyle have to do with the republican party? What does this case have to do with politics?

It's ironic I've been accused of "politicising a tragedy" when Rittenhouse has done precisely that. And he's profiting from it.

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22 Dec 2021, 4:02 am

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What does Kyle have to do with the republican party? What does this case have to do with politics?

It's ironic I've been accused of "politicising a tragedy"

Ironic - Maybe...
True - Certainly.

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22 Dec 2021, 4:20 am

Ok well hasn't Kyle been doing it as well?

I suppose he could argue that the Republicans/Trump backed him so he naturally gravitated toward them.

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22 Dec 2021, 9:41 pm

Oh well I feel that this tragedy was politicized before Kyle was driven to the republican side of it. But I feel it is the democrats fault since they chose to politicize it in the media first it seems, it's there fault for choosing to be his enemy, and thereby pushing to the republican side. If you choose to make enemies, those enemies could then team up with one's other enemies as a result, if they have no friends.

If democrats chose not to politicize the tragedy at all, then Kyle would have nothing to capilitize on afterwards.

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22 Dec 2021, 10:14 pm

Brictoria wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

ironpony wrote:

Well a lot of people believe he acted in self defense, and want to give him a chance to not have to be feeling cursed by society I guess, and that is why they are promoting him?

If he had any decency and respect for the families of his victims he would at least keep from using their deaths as a platform for fame and fortune.

To be precise, the verdict does NOT mean it was determined Mr. Rittenhouse "was the victim of crime here." I completely disagree with your assertion. The verdict is ONLY that it could not be proven he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The law presumes innocence until proven guilty, so under the law he is considered innocent, but it never determines innocence. Ever. That does for the deceased, as well: no one has proven them guilty of a crime, and they remain considered innocent under the law. To assert that the court determined they were perpetrators and Rittenhouse a victim is just wrong, IMHO. That was not up for the trial or the jury to decide. That isn't how our legal system works. All the case did was create a reasonable enough possibility that Rittenhouse was the victim for a jury to not be able to find him guilty.

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22 Dec 2021, 10:19 pm

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I am curious if he even should be allowed to profit from the proceeds stemming from killing two people?

Since he wasn't convicted of a crime, he isn't legally barred from profiting. Morally, however, we are free to find it repugnant that he could profit while two lie dead.

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