[IMPORTANT] Hamas launches foot assault against settlements.
What about the thousands of people, including children, who are being slaughtered in Palestine?
Why do you consistently leave them out of your posts about victims?
How would you feel if you and your family were in Gaza? Would you be justifying Israel’s behavior then when most countries, humanitarian organizations, and the UN are against it? I doubt it.
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Ok I don't dispute Likud's credentials (particularly in their past policy of sterilising Ethiopian refugees) and their attitude toward Palestinians as second class citizens, israelis carry the same values/views toward non-jews that Europeans carry toward non-whites but that doesn't make Likud special as the US also have cryto-fascists in the republican party,
But let's be real, Israel was set up in 1948 as a ethnonationalist Jewish state. It's foundation was built on the premise it represented a safe zone for all Diaspora Jews to return to their ancient homeland. Likud's views are just one extreme on a continuum that covers a gamut of views carried by the Jewish population.
That their actions over the years probably enables groups like HAMAS is also not in dispute. But knowing all this doesn't help the victims of the HAMAS terror attack or the families of those who can't sleep at night knowing whether their family membets are being abused by the captors in the tunnels of Gaza,.
Wait a minute... this is something I don't think I was aware of. Likud had sterilized Ethiopian immigrants? I think it's high time Likud face up to what they are, and put their swastika armbands on.
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Could it just be that the west is morally inconsistent and won't sanction an ally no matter what they're doing?
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Another good question from you.
Impossible: we in NATO (NATO Nations) are the good guys and the others are the bad guys.
NATO is fundamental.
There is no discussion, my post is certainly not against NATO.
But honestly, would you expect a nation like Israel to be evaluated differently from just a predestined victim or even a persecutor now?
Two sides of the same coin.
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I knew this reality.
Ethiopia was one of our Colonial States:
We committed massacres there that were never punished by anyone.
In Ethiopia since 1889.
It was annexed to the Fascist Empire half a century after other massacres, violence, torture, mustard gas, rape of women.
From Italy the order given was also to poison their waters.
The Generals replied that they would then have to have their assault troops live in Ethiopia, but also in Somalia, Libya, and then Eritrea.
Yes, I knew the contents of the link you posted.
As you can see, I also mention my country, I don't mince words.
What you pointed out won't be heard by anyone I'm afraid.
And it's important.
You will be answered something else, or the post will be edited by whoever replies to you.
Because he wouldn't know what to answer you.
Or:-"war is a terrible thing, there are no wars that don't involve these situations"
Others will justify them as the right reaction against Hamas, or I don't know what else they will say is absurd.
My answer is yes, and what you describe is true.
Yes: and it's terrible.
Yes: they did.
No: there is no excuse.
And it's criminal that this was done.
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I have to think those conservative Israelis wouldn't have a problem with the Ethiopian Jews if they were white. Goes to show you, racism isn't just a Christian problem.
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I was going to say something about a swastika on its own not being accurate so I googled something I remember I saw.
Maybe Likud are into Raëlism whose symbol is a swastika/Star of David mashup
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What do Israelis want? Genocide, from the sounds of it.
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Could it just be that the west is morally inconsistent and won't sanction an ally no matter what they're doing?
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No, genocide means that there's deliberate and planned attempt to wipe out an entire ethnic group. It's possible that war crimes are being committed but it's not clear that genocide is taking place. All we know is that Israel is trying destroy Hamas infrastructure like the tunnels, killing a lot of civilians in the process but that doesn't mean that they're the target.
I'd believe you, but too many of them are saying the quiet part out loud.
Genocide doesn't necessarily mean wiping out an entire ethnic group. Neither of two confirmed genocides, the Rwandan Genocide and the Ottoman Genocide of Armenians, would seem to have annihilation as a serious objective. What is required for the definition, I believe, is that some powerful group i.e. either a government or a major army in wartime such as the Irgun, officially carry out a policy of killing members of a particular ethnic or religious group without regard to who those people are. I mention the Irgun because I can imagine that they may have indeed committed what might qualify as genocidal acts 75 or so years ago, but I will insist that the State of Israel, once established, has never resorted to genocide a as a policy. For sure, they have engaged in policies that resulted in Palestinian deaths, but usually due to what they considered a provocation e.g. throwing rocks at them.
As an aside, I will point out that US and Canadian governments have committed unpunished acts of genocide against aboriginals. In the case of the US, this included deportation, which was part of the German Final Solution in the 1930s and 1940s. You may have also heard of the famous incident in which infected blankets were given to aboriginals in winter with the intention of getting them sick.
TBH, the only legitimately genocidal act that took place during the current unpleasantness was the initial Hamas attack on Israel.
Someone in this thread or another posted a graphic showing Jewish vs. non-Jewish deaths during outbreaks of violence over recent history in the Middle East. Palestinian deaths were much higher, but proportionately, Jewish deaths also went up. This shows a pattern of asymmetrical adversaries in wars, each of which was provoked by the weaker side of the equation, with the consequence that that side's own people died in much greater numbers than the energy. To me, that isn't heroic, it's insane.
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Could it just be that the west is morally inconsistent and won't sanction an ally no matter what they're doing?
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Another good question from you.
Impossible: we in NATO (NATO Nations) are the good guys and the others are the bad guys.
NATO is fundamental.
There is no discussion, my post is certainly not against NATO.
But honestly, would you expect a nation like Israel to be evaluated differently from just a predestined victim or even a persecutor now?
Two sides of the same coin.
Instead of being given special treatment, we should consider if their actions are actions we'd like to be associated with. If the answer is no, we stop propping them up.
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An open letter to The New York Times on 4 December 1948. The letter condemned Herut as "akin to Nazi and fascist parties", and as a "terrorist party". It was signed by over twenty prominent Jewish intellectuals, including Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Zellig Harris, and Sidney Hook.
Herut is the predecessor to Likud. Apparently in those days it took a genius like Einstein to recognize what that party would transform into. These days it shouldn't take an Einstein to see what Likud is doing, they barely even attempt to downplay their acts.
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Would be nice if we could just hit fast forward on all these wars and just get to the end w/o the daily negativity. However the chips are going to fall, just get it over with so the world's attention and energy can be focused on anything more productive.
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Far-right minister: Nuking Gaza is an option, population should ‘go to Ireland or deserts’
Asked in an interview with Radio Kol Berama whether an atomic bomb should be dropped on the enclave, Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu says “this is one of the possibilities.”
Eliyahu, of Itamar Ben Gvir’s far-right party, is not part of the security cabinet which is involved in the wartime decision-making, nor does he hold sway over the war cabinet directing the war against the Hamas terror group.
Eliyahu also voices his objection during the interview to allowing any humanitarian aid into Gaza, saying “we wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid,” and charging that “there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza.”
He backs retaking the Strip’s territory and restoring the settlements there. Asked about the fate of the Palestinian population, he says: “They can go to Ireland or deserts, the monsters in Gaza should find a solution by themselves.”
He says the northern Strip has no right to exist, adding that anyone waving a Palestinian or Hamas flag “shouldn’t continue living on the face of the earth.”
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Nobody's going to stop talking about THIS war until they're satisfied that the injustices owing to Zionism have somehow been resolved.
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Nobody's going to stop talking about THIS war until they're satisfied that the injustices owing to Zionism have somehow been resolved.
Oh, great.. forever, then. Guess I'll have to learn to tune it out and focus better on things that affect Me, My life, My goals, My fun & joy etc.
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