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03 Apr 2007, 8:52 pm

Tensho wrote:
Ban it.. School is not the place for religious statements.

Fair enough.


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09 Apr 2007, 2:44 pm

Quite a few people wore veils when I was at university in Bradford. It was unusual for the first few days, then I got over it.

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Hmmm. I suppose that means that during Britain's 350 years involvement in India, for example, you could often find women of English descent speaking fluent Hindi, wearing saris, and worshipping Shiva and Krishna. I'm sure that they fit right in. Just as among the Chinese of Hong Kong, or the Zulus of Natal, the British embraced their new homeland and assimilated completely. *cough*


Heh. An excellent and highly relevant point. Immigrants from anywhere to anywhere tend to hang on to their old culture.



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10 Apr 2007, 12:34 pm

Elemental wrote:
Quite a few people wore veils when I was at university in Bradford. It was unusual for the first few days, then I got over it.

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Hmmm. I suppose that means that during Britain's 350 years involvement in India, for example, you could often find women of English descent speaking fluent Hindi, wearing saris, and worshipping Shiva and Krishna. I'm sure that they fit right in. Just as among the Chinese of Hong Kong, or the Zulus of Natal, the British embraced their new homeland and assimilated completely. *cough*


Heh. An excellent and highly relevant point. Immigrants from anywhere to anywhere tend to hang on to their old culture.


1.As far as I can tell, we're talking about mandatory schooling, not uni.


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10 Apr 2007, 12:42 pm

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1.As far as I can tell, we're talking about mandatory schooling, not uni.


It seemed to have drifted to a general discussion on Muslim headgear and if it's acceptable in Britain. My point was that I found it perfectly acceptable.



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10 Apr 2007, 1:32 pm

I want to wear an IRA mask. It's part of my religion. You're denying me my rights to my traditional dress, you racialists!



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11 Apr 2007, 12:34 pm

Elemental wrote:
sigholdaccountlost wrote:
1.As far as I can tell, we're talking about mandatory schooling, not uni.


It seemed to have drifted to a general discussion on Muslim headgear and if it's acceptable in Britain. My point was that I found it perfectly acceptable.


Sorry, I missed the drifting.


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11 Apr 2007, 12:51 pm

hijab? no

burqa? yes



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13 Apr 2007, 12:36 am

Wear whatever you want . It soooo does not matter. If some one has issue with it, to hell with them! Give me a logical reason why. Thats all I ask. You will find no one can. And I'm sure your braids looked great.



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13 Apr 2007, 12:59 am

Tensho wrote:
Ban it.. School is not the place for religious statements.

Well, to be completly fair, then yes. What other possible solution? But I am also old enough to remember saying "Our Lords prayer" and "God Bless the Queen" in school and don't feel that it should have been removed. Loss of cultural background. Just what others would put in place in our "understanding and changing culturaly diverse society" or some other similar giberish. Equal is equal but why do we have to lose for others to say its fair?



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17 Apr 2007, 12:58 am

It's an interesting take on the subject has to deal with Halloween.

One year I got made up as death. I bought a knarly costume and made my face up in white & black skull design. I tried going to the grocery store for some quick supplies, forgetting I had the hood and full face makeup on. My identity was completely concealed and you could have never guessed it was me under the disguise. The police officer, who was on guard at this store because the management hires officers due to a string of robberies, he demands that I pull the hood off so that he can see any identifyanle part of my face. Turns out, he says, that there's a law here in Tennessee that states no person can permanenttly conceal their face while in businesses. The cameras must be able to see your face.

So is that any different from a woman wearing a head to toe gown over her entire body? Hell no. The camera cannot see her face either.

In all fairness, here in America, I think the dress should have to be altered so that the woman's face is appearant. You should be able to see distinguishing features such as her whole face and hair.



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17 Apr 2007, 2:15 pm

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You should be able to see distinguishing features such as her whole face and hair.


As a woman, I beg to differ about hair being a distinguishing feature. For $6, I can go get a bottle of dye and change my hair color. You can also use wigs, perms, change your hairstyle, or shave your hair altogether. It's too easy to change your hair to consider it distinguishing.



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17 Apr 2007, 2:43 pm

At the very least one should at least see the person's face.



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17 Apr 2007, 2:56 pm

markaudette wrote:
At the very least one should at least see the person's face.


That I can agree with



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21 Apr 2007, 10:57 am

Thread is dead once again.


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13 May 2007, 5:15 am

I killed it. Excuse me while I go find someone to prepare a speech.


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13 May 2007, 8:17 am

markaudette wrote:
It's an interesting take on the subject has to deal with Halloween.

One year I got made up as death. I bought a knarly costume and made my face up in white & black skull design. I tried going to the grocery store for some quick supplies, forgetting I had the hood and full face makeup on. My identity was completely concealed and you could have never guessed it was me under the disguise. The police officer, who was on guard at this store because the management hires officers due to a string of robberies, he demands that I pull the hood off so that he can see any identifyanle part of my face. Turns out, he says, that there's a law here in Tennessee that states no person can permanenttly conceal their face while in businesses. The cameras must be able to see your face.



You know, in the interests of human freedom, which few people seem to be interested in, how about making it an offense only if the person actually commits a crime? I am extremely sick of the so-called law and so-called law enforcement right now, and simply concealing your identity should not be a crime if you are not doing anything else that is criminal.