Non-transgender Men Being Allowed In Women's Bathroom!

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I am a woman and I think it's great target is doing that because I don't care...

Also if target allows any gender to go in either bathroom, how exactly are men abusing the rule by using the women's bathroom? seems the rule allows for exactly that as well as vise versa.

Its not like businesses even have to provide a bathroom, so what makes you think you have the right to a bathroom in places like Target let alone the right to a specified 'womens' bathroom? Its not a rights issue really...I've seen places with only a unisex bathroom and would probably just get a funny look if I started going on about how I have the right to a gender specified bathroom.

The brain is a sexually dimorphic (i.e. gendered) body part. (Well, not the entire brain/all brain structures, but some parts.)

I agree that the policy is flawed in that you can't effectively enforce bathroom segregation based on gender identity and it would seem based on the story that they don't have adequate training in place for their staff to address situations where someone is uncomfortable with the behavior of another person in the bathroom.

I think the only reason a lot of people are freaked out by the idea of men (or in the case of transwomen, women that they erroneously perceive/conceptualize as men) in women's bathrooms is the assumption that the only reason they would ever be there is to commit some kind of predatory act; These people are conflating issues making it about gender when their real concern is about predatory behavior. If the policy is that anyone can use any bathroom, then you need to separate out the issues to have a reasonable debate. Addressing predatory behavior is a separate issue from addressing the rights of transpeople. (Addressing predatory behavior is also a separate issue to the enforcement of gender-segregated bathrooms by any criteria.....since gender doesn't determine whether or not a person is a sexual predator.)

Nurseangela, I can't tell if your main concern is predatory behavior or gender.....I don't understand your thinking. For example:

You say that you don't care if a transsexual woman uses the women's bathroom with you, but your wording at times suggests you believe that transwomen are just men in women's clothes .... does that mean that you would be fine with a cisgendered, heterosexual male cross-dresser (basically just your average straight male beyond the fact he sometimes dresses up like a woman) using the women's bathroom with you so long as he was dressed in female clothes at the time? If not, I'm curious what's the difference for you, if you see both individuals as men wearing women's clothes?

And would you be as horrified/threatened by a man (a cisgendered, heterosexual man, dressed in men's clothes and looking very masculine) looking like he was in obvious gastric/urinary distress running past you into the women's bathroom into the nearest empty stall, slamming the door shut and obviously (by the sound) relieving himself, then leaving immediately after washing his hands? What if he apologized on the way out and said that the men's was out of order and his choices were to either soil his pants in the next 30 seconds or use the women's bathroom -- would that make any difference?

Wow, you said something I agree with! That doesn't happen often

I didn't read that as being rude. I think he was basically saying people should just use the bathroom they're most comfortable with. Which is how it's always been.

Yes but people like the OP would prefer the government be heavily involved with who uses which bathroom, and have money wasted on enforcing it with the police or whatever.

Actually in many states any business that meets a minimum Square Footage requirement has to provide restrooms.
In many states any establishment that provides food and drink has to also provide restrooms.

Many counties and cities also have their own rules too.

Sweetleaf,

Yeah that whole "big government" issue goes right out the window when other people don't conform with their particular idea of morality.

And the Idea that we should build separate bathrooms is just laughable. First off, it would be incredibly expensive, second it would mean people would be outing themselves by using that separate (but equal) bathroom.

Actually this would be a great stimulus to national and state economies.

I'm all for new bathroom building!

I'd only support that if it is only for family style bathrooms, for infants and toddlers with their parents and as long as it's only required of businesses of a certain size like Target.

Hmm did not know that, even so it doesn't have to be a gender specific bathroom.

Those exist for health reasons.

Though I do believe there are sex specific bathroom laws on the books somewhere in this country.

Awesome rant.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/05/1 ... is-perfect

What health reasons are there for gender specific bathrooms?

No, it's still segregated by gender, the difference is they accept genders which are self-defined.

Ok. This rule is to allow men to dress like women (transsexuals) to enter womens restrooms and dressing rooms. Right? Men dressed as women.[/quote]
Men that dress like women are called transvestites. People born male that identify as women are transsexuals.