Trump Tells GOP To Defend Him More Strongly

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26 Oct 2019, 10:48 pm

Trump could very likely be the permanent downfall of the GOP. Even W would never have done a hundredth of the things Trump has done.

I would like the U.S. to be a true multiparty democracy, but I worry that we are instead heading for a one-party system.

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27 Oct 2019, 8:58 am

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There was nothing about making only $5,000, the year I began college that made me want to give up. I don't understand that. Being poor motivated me to never want to be poor again. So, I worked. And I stayed relatively poor (compared to your GOP analogy) for many years, although I was better off than before college. And my kids watched me work and now they work hard, even my son with Autism. He is a car detailer, he doesn't make much, but he works hard and lives on his own. And he loves his life!

Have you ever stopped and thought about whether the trajectory your life took and the steps you took have anything to do with small government? you seem to link GOP fantasies about no taxes and small government with your struggles and I honestly don't see a connection?

Human beings need self-motivation to feel they are part of a bigger social movement where they feel they can contribute, one of the aspects that attracted me to marxist philosophy as a teenager was the idea that you could cognitively transcend the idea of parochialism based on class, race or creed and think of humanity as one social movement. The rise of this movement was timed to coincide with the historic rise in class and racial equality.

The spirit of socialism has never faded despite attempts by conservative/capitalist right to equate social/civil rights with authoritarian communism (something your leaders successfully managed to hoodwink the American public in the 1950s...the US population are a little brainwashed so take a bit longer than everyone else).

More importantly this global social movement is what will help the autistic community and their families. The time when stigma and ignorance over mental illness will start to vanish.

I think the concern is that a big all powerful government will not be as benevolent as you are envisioning. That many aspects of life will fall under government regulation all in the guise of it being in the best interest and welfare of its citizens. That equality will end up meaning that most everyone is equally subordinate.

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27 Oct 2019, 10:03 am

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I would say we are headed towered a country defined by many socialist and SJW elements. Trumpism is a backlash against it that might be speeding this up but the main drivers are generational and technological. Even a lot of diehard Trumpists deep down realize this with their belief in an all powerful “deep state”. “Owning the libs” is not optimistic or a platform, it is schadenfreude, a lesser version of a defeated army burning and destroying everything before they go down.

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27 Oct 2019, 12:34 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

I would say we are headed towered a country defined by many socialist and SJW elements. Trumpism is a backlash against it that might be speeding this up but the main drivers are generational and technological. Even a lot of diehard Trumpists deep down realize this with their belief in an of all powerful “deep state”. “Owning the libs” is not optimistic or a platform, it is schadenfreude, a lesser version of a defeated army burning and destroying everything before they go down.

Excellent analysis.

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27 Oct 2019, 7:13 pm

TRUMP is amazing because he gets stuff done.

Phoney-Baloney politicians will return, no worries there.

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27 Oct 2019, 7:15 pm

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TRUMP is amazing because he gets stuff done.

So did Hitler. :roll:

Ok, I'm done with that comparison.

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27 Oct 2019, 7:18 pm

Trump is like every other aspiring dictator who took advantage of his people's contempt for the same ol' phoney bologna politicians.

It's happened in countries just like Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador from what I understand.

So yeah, be careful what you wish for in a leader. It might just get you.

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28 Oct 2019, 9:59 am

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Why does TRUMP both you so much?

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28 Oct 2019, 10:08 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Trump is like every other aspiring dictator who took advantage of his people's contempt for the same ol' phoney bologna politicians. It's happened in countries just like Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador from what I understand. So yeah, be careful what you wish for in a leader. It might just get you.

Why does TRUMP bother you so much?

He just told you.

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28 Oct 2019, 10:18 am

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Trump is like every other aspiring dictator who took advantage of his people's contempt for the same ol' phoney bologna politicians. It's happened in countries just like Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador from what I understand. So yeah, be careful what you wish for in a leader. It might just get you.

Why does TRUMP bother you so much?

He just told you.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is representative of a deeper reason.

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28 Oct 2019, 10:21 am

Trump is just not the "Presidential" type.

You can be a conservative. You could like Trump's tax cuts. But that doesn't mean you have to like Trump.

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28 Oct 2019, 10:32 am

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Trump is like every other aspiring dictator who took advantage of his people's contempt for the same ol' phoney bologna politicians. It's happened in countries just like Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador from what I understand. So yeah, be careful what you wish for in a leader. It might just get you.

Why does TRUMP bother you so much?

He just told you.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is representative of a deeper reason.

GODWIN!!

Thread over; TW1ZTY wins!

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28 Oct 2019, 10:57 am

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

Fnord wrote:

LoveNotHate wrote:

TW1ZTY wrote:

Trump is like every other aspiring dictator who took advantage of his people's contempt for the same ol' phoney bologna politicians. It's happened in countries just like Cuba, Chile, and El Salvador from what I understand. So yeah, be careful what you wish for in a leader. It might just get you.

Why does TRUMP bother you so much?

He just told you.

Reductio ad Hitlerum is representative of a deeper reason.

GODWIN!!

Thread over; TW1ZTY wins!

Twisty is the one who made the Hitler comparison further back.

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29 Oct 2019, 12:58 am

EzraS wrote:

The Scandinavians got it about right with their mix of social welfare initiatives and free market economics.

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