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19 Apr 2020, 1:56 am

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Nobody would be okay with Black Panthers having a public meeting with guns. Where would you get that idea?

Lots of people are? Why does a group using its 1st and 2nd amendment upset you?

If antifa didn’t have a violent history at every protest they do id be fine with them being armed too. In fact some members of antifa have shown up armed wearing tactical gear and armor but they were peaceful, so that’s fine.


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19 Apr 2020, 1:57 am

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Are people supposed to save their great 2nd ammendment by intimidating governors with firearms, or am I reading too much into that?

Why aren’t the left leaning protests relabeled as intimidating? Why’s it only pro constitutional protests labeled as intimidation?

It was a question, not a statement and I didn't label anyone. What do you think motivated him to make this call to arms?

I’ve seen calls for liberals to liberate red states aka by elections. Nothing I’ve seen from trump calls for arms. Elections for state congresses and governors are coming in November too so he probably wants republicans to vote out democrats in said states. If I was able to and not worried about the virus I’d attend protests too.

Do you think it's possible that reactionary types might misinterpret his words and show up to anti lockdown rallies in those states brandishing guns?


It’s their right and logical to have guns at a pro 2a rally to protect the right to own guns.
You must not be American?

I didn't hear any mention of a pro 2a rally. When is the next pro 2a rally?


2a is 2nd amendment.
Right if the people to bear arms. Rally is a protest. It’s a protest to oppose further violations of the constitution and bill of rights. They are always peacefully and even clean up after themselves unlike when left protests. They also file permits usually.


And these weren’t 2a rallies. They were protests against lockdown measures intended to protect public health. Why would it be okay to have guns there?


The one in Virginia was over the recently snuck thru gun control.
If my state did that I might break the lockdown to go protest too.


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19 Apr 2020, 2:08 am

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Part of it was the great con of drain the swamp. Another huge problem today is the weaponized targeted advertising to swing voters, abusing social media data. Things started to change when fox news started poisoning the well in the late 90's and the divide only got worse after 911. News sources have become a billionaires club offering biased opinions as news and once Obama became president the gloves came off so the divide got wider and the political divide shifted to the far right once the Koch brothers hijacked the tea party.


This is only part of the story. The real story was what was going through the heads of ordinary Americans to elect a misogynistic, corrupt, failed businessmen with zero political leadership skills, who went bankrupt three times in order to avoid paying debt collectors and an on the basis of his now famous racist slogans, blatant lies and unrealistic promises.


The far right gets a lot of money. The far left gets nothing. This alone tilts thing tremendously when there’s growing discontent because nobody but the very well off thinks the middle ground status quo is actually working.


Most rich people are leftist. Mean f**k sake Bloomberg spent 500million dollars to try to buy him the election. She spends hundreds of millions every year on elections to bribe politicians. He pushes his agenda woh money. “I’ll give you 10 million if you screw your state over for me a New York elitist”

Very last single tech billionaire or millionaire is liberal democrat. Bill gates, Apple, google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. They all fund the left. The right can’t get a billionaire to bus people around the nation to attend rallies. The 2a people have no money besides what people donate couple hundred or less at a time. Bloomberg has more money then all the gun manufacturers combined and they don’t give a cent. Most are foreign companies who make billions from government contracts, the amount they make from, civilian sales is so small it wouldn’t matter if they lost it. Some refuse to even sell to civilians.
I can’t think of a single right leaning rich person who gives money like all the left leaning ones. If I won a lot of money I’d use it to fund 2a it events. We are sadly outmatched, our loosing couple hundred thousand can’t complete with Bloomberg dropping 10 million in our state to push gun bans. So we have to send letters, pay to attend rally’s, work the streets unpaid to get signatures. The anti gun side is paid to do all that.
Moms demands action is solely funded by Bloomberg, so is mayors for gun control and other groups. If Bloomberg went broke all those groups would go bankrupt and close.
Which is why they wore torn as they didn’t want to support him being racist ,but they need his money.

We have one good national group called gun owners of America. Then we have a anti gun leach called NRA, who have passed more gun control then the gun control groups.


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19 Apr 2020, 2:13 am

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I don't think many people in this thread know what a major economic meltdown looks like. Think of formerly well off middle and working class professionals, like doctors, teachers, engineers et al selling family heirlooms to buy bread, next to the tent in which they now sleep by the side of the road. We saw a small taste of that during the 2008 crisis. This corona depression could be 5-10x worse by some estimates. Trump is absolutely right to believe that is worse than the worst possible outcomes of the coronavirus.

As trumps advisors have said this is an artificial recession and the economy should bounce back immediately, it’s not like 2008 or the Great Recession. The economy was and is strong it’s just being artificial held back.

I heard Taco Bell is having tough time lol. They a drive thru restaurant which is still getting its normal and more business. What’s next Walmart and McDonald’s are going say they having it tough. The McDonald’s here are more packed then they were before All this. Business is booming for them.
Business for tech and video game industries is booming. Games, consoles are Selling out. I’d bet they sell as many consoles during this as when first launched. They can’t even keep up with demand.

So most will be fine or better and some will go away, the economy will be fine. What might be bad and would be worse is plants shutting down due to tons of their workers getting sick. Funny how this only happen in states with no lockdowns.
Imagine if 80% of workforce got sick at once and couldn’t work? How’d businesses do then?


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19 Apr 2020, 2:29 am

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Most rich people are leftist. .


In the real world the wealthy bankroll the parties that provide the best tax breaks
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 08036.html



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19 Apr 2020, 4:12 am

Just wanted to highlight this again:

trump’s tweets were illegal according to this expert:

https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/legal- ... 4.facebook

Which means he could get in some serious s**t over them. Impeachment number 2? Something more fun? I dunno.


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19 Apr 2020, 9:30 am

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Trump can’t als didn’t. Leftist block traffic in Portland every other week. Antifa, black life matters etc. nothings done to stop them, even though they attack people, burnt cars and buildings. The police are told to do nothing.

Did any of the protesters there attack anyone? Burn any cars? Damage any property? Or did they just circle around on the empty roads near the capital?

They blocked access to hospitals. People die because of that kind of idiocy. I don't care if antifa attacked some as*hole who probably deserved it or damaged some corporate property. I see you value corporate property over human life. That boot must taste nice.



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19 Apr 2020, 9:49 am

sly279 wrote:
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The far right gets a lot of money. The far left gets nothing. This alone tilts thing tremendously when there’s growing discontent because nobody but the very well off thinks the middle ground status quo is actually working.


Most rich people are leftist. Mean f**k sake Bloomberg spent 500million dollars to try to buy him the election. She spends hundreds of millions every year on elections to bribe politicians. He pushes his agenda woh money. “I’ll give you 10 million if you screw your state over for me a New York elitist”


Dude. Bloomberg spent 500 million to stop Bernie Sanders. Honestly, I'd almost rather have Trump than that as*hole. That you think a former Republican is a leftist makes me want to blow my brains out.

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Very last single tech billionaire or millionaire is liberal democrat. Bill gates, Apple, google, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. They all fund the left. The right can’t get a billionaire to bus people around the nation to attend rallies. The 2a people have no money besides what people donate couple hundred or less at a time. Bloomberg has more money then all the gun manufacturers combined and they don’t give a cent. Most are foreign companies who make billions from government contracts, the amount they make from, civilian sales is so small it wouldn’t matter if they lost it. Some refuse to even sell to civilians.

Being anti-Trump does not make someone a "leftist". I agree neoliberal centrists are scum. That's what those people are. Not one is a legitimately progressive.

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I can’t think of a single right leaning rich person who gives money like all the left leaning ones. If I won a lot of money I’d use it to fund 2a it events. We are sadly outmatched, our loosing couple hundred thousand can’t complete with Bloomberg dropping 10 million in our state to push gun bans. So we have to send letters, pay to attend rally’s, work the streets unpaid to get signatures. The anti gun side is paid to do all that.

Bloomburg is awful, but that doesn't mean conservatives are on your side.

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Moms demands action is solely funded by Bloomberg, so is mayors for gun control and other groups. If Bloomberg went broke all those groups would go bankrupt and close.
Which is why they wore torn as they didn’t want to support him being racist ,but they need his money.

That's the problem with oligarchy. Money controls everything. In my town you have the DeVos's who donate strictly to right wing causes. A TON of billionaire money gets into the hands of right-wing groups. This dumb protest in Lansing was bankrolled by one such group. The billionaires funding Trump are just quieter about what they're doing, because lets just face it, he's a childish idiot and an embarrassment to almost everyone, even the billionaires who absolutely loved his tax cuts.

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We have one good national group called gun owners of America. Then we have a anti gun leach called NRA, who have passed more gun control then the gun control groups.

There are pro 2nd amendment groups on the left as well. You just don't hear about them because the NRA is a right wing political organization.



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19 Apr 2020, 10:03 am

sly279 wrote:
Mikah wrote:
I don't think many people in this thread know what a major economic meltdown looks like. Think of formerly well off middle and working class professionals, like doctors, teachers, engineers et al selling family heirlooms to buy bread, next to the tent in which they now sleep by the side of the road. We saw a small taste of that during the 2008 crisis. This corona depression could be 5-10x worse by some estimates. Trump is absolutely right to believe that is worse than the worst possible outcomes of the coronavirus.

As trumps advisors have said this is an artificial recession and the economy should bounce back immediately, it’s not like 2008 or the Great Recession. The economy was and is strong it’s just being artificial held back.

I heard Taco Bell is having tough time lol. They a drive thru restaurant which is still getting its normal and more business. What’s next Walmart and McDonald’s are going say they having it tough. The McDonald’s here are more packed then they were before All this. Business is booming for them.
Business for tech and video game industries is booming. Games, consoles are Selling out. I’d bet they sell as many consoles during this as when first launched. They can’t even keep up with demand.

So most will be fine or better and some will go away, the economy will be fine. What might be bad and would be worse is plants shutting down due to tons of their workers getting sick. Funny how this only happen in states with no lockdowns.
Imagine if 80% of workforce got sick at once and couldn’t work? How’d businesses do then?

The only way to get everyone back to work safely is to have mass testing. I probably already had the damn virus as I had a 3 day high fever in March and I never got influenza before in my entire life. If I know I had it I would know I'm most likely immune and can go out and do things without much risk. Getting tested proved impossible though because my state is garbage and I can't afford to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars for an antibody test that may or may not even be legit at this point since there's been no mass studies. The problem is the federal government refuses to take charge when they're the only ones with the cash to actually fund anything. There's a mess with states competing for supplies and bidding up prices. It's bad enough that this happens on an international scale, but the fact that it's happening between state's as absurd. Dump just stands there in front of everyone lying saying "We're the best!! !" when nothing could be further from the truth.



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19 Apr 2020, 10:12 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Just wanted to highlight this again:

trump’s tweets were illegal according to this expert:

https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/legal- ... 4.facebook

Which means he could get in some serious s**t over them. Impeachment number 2? Something more fun? I dunno.

I worry that at some point the military might decide to step in and tell him to STFU like what happened in Brazil with Bolsonaro.



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19 Apr 2020, 11:16 am

NoClearMind53 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Just wanted to highlight this again:

trump’s tweets were illegal according to this expert:

https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/legal- ... 4.facebook

Which means he could get in some serious s**t over them. Impeachment number 2? Something more fun? I dunno.

I worry that at some point the military might decide to step in and tell him to STFU like what happened in Brazil with Bolsonaro.


Cliffs on what happened there with him? I haven’t heard anything about him since the headlines about him authorizing/turning a blind eye to burning down the amazon.


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19 Apr 2020, 11:24 am

Just saw this post about the protests.
Appalling that a doctor had to come out and plead with “peaceful protesters,” to allow ambulances through. Obvi this
poster is also pointing out the white privilege these racists have in America, too. And FTR the post was by a white male from Pennsylvania - I checked.

“These bastards were actively blocking ambulances from reaching hospitals, and the police didn't do a f*****g thing?

White people are allowed to stage armed uprisings to overtake public lands, march through state capital buildings with AK-47s and ski masks, and fully inhibit emergency response during a global emergency.

Yet if Native Americans peacefully protest their lands being taken from them illegally and used for fracking or oil transport they get tear gassed and have dogs sicked on them. Yet if a black man sells a loose cigarette on the street he is strangled to death by police officers who go unpunished. Yet if a refugee comes from another country to seek asylum their children are lost in a system of abusive foster families and potential sex trafficking, while the parents are forced to sign away rights to that kid or sit in jail forever.”

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goldfish21 wrote:
Just saw this post about the protests.
Appalling that a doctor had to come out and plead with “peaceful protesters,” to allow ambulances through. Obvi this
poster is also pointing out the white privilege these racists have in America, too. And FTR the post was by a white male from Pennsylvania - I checked.

“These bastards were actively blocking ambulances from reaching hospitals, and the police didn't do a f*****g thing?

White people are allowed to stage armed uprisings to overtake public lands, march through state capital buildings with AK-47s and ski masks, and fully inhibit emergency response during a global emergency.

Yet if Native Americans peacefully protest their lands being taken from them illegally and used for fracking or oil transport they get tear gassed and have dogs sicked on them. Yet if a black man sells a loose cigarette on the street he is strangled to death by police officers who go unpunished. Yet if a refugee comes from another country to seek asylum their children are lost in a system of abusive foster families and potential sex trafficking, while the parents are forced to sign away rights to that kid or sit in jail forever.”

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If it was "antifa" doing this the government would send tanks in to push the cars out of the intersection. Because they are pro-bourgeoisie as*holes (knowingly or unknowingly) who are protesting on behalf of big business so the slaves can go back to work and die so that an imaginary line goes back up for the wealthy shareholders, nothing is done about it. Also, DeVos money ended up being funneled to these protests. The DeVos name needs to be stripped from hospitals. They are not God. They do not get to control who lives and who dies.



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goldfish21 wrote:
NoClearMind53 wrote:
goldfish21 wrote:
Just wanted to highlight this again:

trump’s tweets were illegal according to this expert:

https://www.alternet.org/2020/04/legal- ... 4.facebook

Which means he could get in some serious s**t over them. Impeachment number 2? Something more fun? I dunno.

I worry that at some point the military might decide to step in and tell him to STFU like what happened in Brazil with Bolsonaro.


Cliffs on what happened there with him? I haven’t heard anything about him since the headlines about him authorizing/turning a blind eye to burning down the amazon.

No idea. He's an absolute clown who's even duller than Trump.



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19 Apr 2020, 12:49 pm

trump admin racist spews off about how white supremacists with guns at state capitals are “just like Rosa Parks.”

:lol: What a moron.

https://m.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/steph ... mg00000013


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