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13 Nov 2021, 1:27 am

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Such as how?


They don't really do the whole family values thing so much anymore, the religious right don't control the party like they did in the 90s and early 00s.


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13 Nov 2021, 2:40 am

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I’m not so sure. Whole other topic but the women who can rise in the Republican Party all fall within a very narrow set of parameters that women like Ivanka Trump personify quite well. Know your stuff, but still come across as profoundly feminine.


Eh, I think that's changing, I mean Sarah Palin in many ways blazed the trail that Trump would eventually march down, and I wouldn't call her profoundly feminine, her whole shtick was being the tough as nails hockey mom who could shoot and dress out a deer (and look good doing it), Lauren Boebert is seldom seen without her pistol on her hip, Winsome Sears just won statewide in Virginia running as a rough and tumble former Marine, and Ivanka Trump was never really a Republican anyway. I could totally see a brash female CEO (a real one this time) sweeping the GOP primary with tough talk and a touch of trolling, they'd go for it just to own the libs and elect a female president first.


What if I modify “feminine” to “sexually attractive to men?”

There was a great article on it a few years ago, that put the concept into words I don’t summarize well. But that article really spoke to a dissonance I’ve often felt, how someone like Trump can put women into powerful positions yet still be a misogynistic pig. It has to be the right kind of women, that they admire yet aren’t threatened by.

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Overall, I’ve come to accept that America has too complicated a relationship with powerful women to elect one president anytime soon.


It would certainly take a particular kind of powerful woman, Hilary just wasn't it, and let's not even start with Kamala. I kinda do feel like the GOP would have the advantage here, almost a Nixon goes to China kind of situation.


You may be right on that.


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13 Nov 2021, 4:07 am

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What if I modify “feminine” to “sexually attractive to men?”


I'm sure that helps, but that's hardly unique to politics, or to women for that matter; if I had to pick between being good looking or smart, I'd pick good looking every time (which is how you know I'm smart, lol). I think for politics there's a certain sweet spot of conventional good looks for both men and women, as there's definitely a penalty for "too pretty" beyond which you need to be razor sharp not to get pegged as an airhead, but you don't want to be a complete dog, though they do manage to get elected and reelected. When I put a little thought into it, I think fat might be worse than ugly for a potential politician, more people treat it as in bounds to attack, as there is the perception that being fat is your fault, where as anyone could be born ugly.

There is something weird about attractive politicians I have to say, the guys on my gun board have the hots for Kyrsten Sinema and AOC in the most embarrassing way, I think the political opposition must add frisson or something, it gets, uh, unseemly, at times.


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13 Nov 2021, 4:36 am

Dox47 wrote:
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I’m not so sure. Whole other topic but the women who can rise in the Republican Party all fall within a very narrow set of parameters that women like Ivanka Trump personify quite well. Know your stuff, but still come across as profoundly feminine.


Eh, I think that's changing, I mean Sarah Palin in many ways blazed the trail that Trump would eventually march down, and I wouldn't call her profoundly feminine, her whole shtick was being the tough as nails hockey mom who could shoot and dress out a deer (and look good doing it), Lauren Boebert is seldom seen without her pistol on her hip, Winsome Sears just won statewide in Virginia running as a rough and tumble former Marine, and Ivanka Trump was never really a Republican anyway. I could totally see a brash female CEO (a real one this time) sweeping the GOP primary with tough talk and a touch of trolling, they'd go for it just to own the libs and elect a female president first.

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Overall, I’ve come to accept that America has too complicated a relationship with powerful women to elect one president anytime soon.


It would certainly take a particular kind of powerful woman, Hilary just wasn't it, and let's not even start with Kamala. I kinda do feel like the GOP would have the advantage here, almost a Nixon goes to China kind of situation.


A great deal of that hardy outdoorswoman image of Palin's was fabricated. She had to ask her oldest daughter's former boyfriend how to even shoot a rifle. I suspect a great deal of all the rest of the GOP fems is more show than substance, as well.


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13 Nov 2021, 5:19 am

Dox47 wrote:
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What if I modify “feminine” to “sexually attractive to men?”


I'm sure that helps, but that's hardly unique to politics, or to women for that matter; if I had to pick between being good looking or smart, I'd pick good looking every time (which is how you know I'm smart, lol). I think for politics there's a certain sweet spot of conventional good looks for both men and women, as there's definitely a penalty for "too pretty" beyond which you need to be razor sharp not to get pegged as an airhead, but you don't want to be a complete dog, though they do manage to get elected and reelected. When I put a little thought into it, I think fat might be worse than ugly for a potential politician, more people treat it as in bounds to attack, as there is the perception that being fat is your fault, where as anyone could be born ugly.

There is something weird about attractive politicians I have to say, the guys on my gun board have the hots for Kyrsten Sinema and AOC in the most embarrassing way, I think the political opposition must add frisson or something, it gets, uh, unseemly, at times.


To some extent.

But ….

Could liberal darling Katie Porter ever be elected on a conservative ticket, assuming her politics were different?

I think there are physical traits liberals are more likely to accept in women that conservatives will not.

(Be nice, I get a huge kick out of Katie Porter using her white board)


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13 Nov 2021, 7:18 pm

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Could liberal darling Katie Porter ever be elected on a conservative ticket, assuming her politics were different?


I don't see why not, she looks relatively normal to me, maybe a little dowdy. She'd probably want to dress a bit more like a realtor, that seems to be the look for female conservative politicians if they're not going full warrior princess.


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14 Nov 2021, 7:32 am

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Could liberal darling Katie Porter ever be elected on a conservative ticket, assuming her politics were different?


I don't see why not, she looks relatively normal to me, maybe a little dowdy. She'd probably want to dress a bit more like a realtor, that seems to be the look for female conservative politicians if they're not going full warrior princess.


I’ve not seen women who could be deemed dowdy gaining political leverage in conservative circles. What I have seen are a lot of appearance related negative remarks towards the liberal women that advance. The volume of looks related attacks are upsetting.


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18 Nov 2021, 10:07 am

House votes to censure Congressman Paul Gosar for violent video in rare formal rebuke

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The House voted on Wednesday to censure Republican Congressman Paul Gosar of Arizona and strip him of his two committee assignments after he posted an edited anime video to his social media accounts that depicted violence against Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York and President Biden.

The House passed a resolution punishing Gosar by a vote of 223 to 207, with Republicans Liz Cheney of Wyoming and Adam Kinzinger of Illinois joining all Democrats in support of the measure and one Republican voting "present." After the resolution was approved, Gosar stood in the well of the House chamber while House Speaker Nancy Pelosi read aloud the formal rebuke against him.

The resolution stated that "depictions of violence can foment actual violence and jeopardize the safety of elected officials, as witnessed in this chamber on January 6" and noted that "violence against women in politics is a global phenomenon meant to silence women and discourage them from seeking positions of authority."

Just 23 other members of Congress in U.S. history have been censured, the most severe punishment a lawmaker can face short of expulsion, with the most recent being Democratic Congressman Charles Rangel of New York in 2010 for ethics violations.

The move by the House to discipline the Arizona Republican was the latest undertaken by the Democratic majority in response to violent statements promoted by GOP lawmakers. In February, the House voted to remove Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene from her committees after extremist and racist comments she posted to social media before she was elected to Congress surfaced.

Democrats have said such action against those Republicans was warranted as their conduct promotes violence against members of Congress and GOP congressional leaders have failed to discipline their colleagues on their own.

But Republicans warn that Democrats are now paving the way for them to respond in kind when the GOP retakes control of the House.


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