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25 May 2008, 2:39 pm

THEY are disgusting. :evil: And the teacher's the worst of all. I mean, it always annoys me when adults say 'Children can be so cruel' - where the heck do they think the children learn it from?

The first thing I thought when I read this was 'OMG, so now Big Brother has a junior version?!' Seriously. There's a whole current in society and the media these days of it actually being OK and good to hate, mock and exclude anyone construed as being 'different'. Schools are supposed to be where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud, not encouraged.


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25 May 2008, 3:48 pm

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As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


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25 May 2008, 4:27 pm

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Refusing to raise your kids to embrace violence as positive is not "feminizing them", and I have to say that I find that kind of language extremely demeaning and disrespectful to women.
That's a really hateful, bigoted thing to say, and I find your backwards attitudes more than a little disgusting.


Right! So I should just have them sit there and cry in the face of abusive behavior. The main hate I have is for overbearing women that make men suffer. In general "liberated" women treat men and children like crap. Even in the face of hurricane force opposition, I'm saying ENOUGH OF THIS!!

Keep an eye on advertising using a variation of a theme "it's all about you". You will notice that the target audience of such ads is women.


It sounds like you've had bad experiences with abusive women who are able to shoddily but effectively justify their behaviour. Either that or you're just upset because you're a jerk who wants a woman you can bark at to iron your shirts and make you a sandwhich.
Regardless, a truly liberated woman is respectful of others' feelings without allowing herself to be pushed around. (I do not consider Lorena Bobbit or Lizzie Borden "liberated women" despite what some extremist "Feminists" claim).



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25 May 2008, 4:29 pm

nirrti_rachelle wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I agree, some of the people posting in this topic seem to be trying to scapegoat other groups of people and I'd have to say scarily gravitating towards a KKK mentality.



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25 May 2008, 4:34 pm

Yupa wrote:
nirrti_rachelle wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I agree, some of the people posting in this topic seem to be trying to scapegoat other groups of people and I'd have to say scarily gravitating towards a KKK mentality.

I wasn't aware that the KKK had adopted sexism... they've sunk even lower since I last checked then?


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25 May 2008, 4:35 pm

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THEY are disgusting. :evil: And the teacher's the worst of all. I mean, it always annoys me when adults say 'Children can be so cruel' - where the heck do they think the children learn it from?

The first thing I thought when I read this was 'OMG, so now Big Brother has a junior version?!' Seriously. There's a whole current in society and the media these days of it actually being OK and good to hate, mock and exclude anyone construed as being 'different'. Schools are supposed to be where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud, not encouraged.


They learn it on their own. I had to explain to a little five year old that it was wrong to make fun of gay people, after he had been pointing and laughing at a very effeminate homosexual friend of mine and saying something along the lines of "haha, that man acts like a lady!" I know the kid certainly didn't learn that kind of crap from his mom.
Schools actually are places where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud (things like the five year old's behaviour towards my friend), which is why the little kid was voted out of his class. He was causing his classmates the same kind of grief that the five year old was trying to cause my friend.



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25 May 2008, 4:43 pm

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The first thing I thought when I read this was 'OMG, so now Big Brother has a junior version?!'

Truth to tell I actually don't think Big Brother would have been to fond of the democratic system that the teacher seems to encourage...



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25 May 2008, 4:43 pm

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Schools actually are places where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud (things like the five year old's behaviour towards my friend), which is why the little kid was voted out of his class. He was causing his classmates the same kind of grief that the five year old was trying to cause my friend.

Have you a link to the description of his behavior that leads to your conclusion?

And even should this be so, is public mockery, humiliation, and exclusion the best way to teach a five-year-old the error of his ways??


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25 May 2008, 4:44 pm

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And even should this be so, is public mockery, humiliation, and exclusion the best way to teach a five-year-old the error of his ways??

Well, I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like this was used as a last resort. But I do feel that it was necessary to get the message across.



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25 May 2008, 5:03 pm

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And even should this be so, is public mockery, humiliation, and exclusion the best way to teach a five-year-old the error of his ways??

Well, I don't know about you, but it sounds to me like this was used as a last resort. But I do feel that it was necessary to get the message across.

No, it was not. There are established procedures for dealing with difficult students. No matter how much of a frustration this student was for the teacher, her response was grossly inappropriate. Why can't you understand that?


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25 May 2008, 6:23 pm

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It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I know this through painful experience. Long story short:


My parents tell me to fight back when bullied

I fight back when bullied

I get detention for defending myself while the bully doesn't get punished

My mom screams at the school

The school spouts BS about "it doesn't matter who started it." and that I "over-reacted" :roll:


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25 May 2008, 6:32 pm

nirrti_rachelle wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I can't believe there are people who stilled use the racist term "colored people", the PC version "People of Color" is just as BS as well IMO. Both terms perpetuate racialist essentialism.


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25 May 2008, 6:33 pm

Odin wrote:
catspurr wrote:
It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I know this through painful experience. Long story short:


My parents tell me to fight back when bullied

I fight back when bullied

I get detention for defending myself while the bully doesn't get punished

My mom screams at the school

The school spouts BS about "it doesn't matter who started it." and that I "over-reacted" :roll:



I know it's not easy. The thing to remember is not let anyone badger the "fight" out of you. Just keep refining your methods. Maybe you could picket the school with a sign that says "This school encourages bullies" and put the offenders name below. My methods are negotiable, my fighting spirit isn't. I hope you never think you're defeated.


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25 May 2008, 6:35 pm

Odin wrote:
catspurr wrote:
It's no longer the 80's. Kids are not allowed to fight back.


I know this through painful experience. Long story short:

My parents tell me to fight back when bullied

I fight back when bullied

I get detention for defending myself while the bully doesn't get punished

My mom screams at the school

The school spouts BS about "it doesn't matter who started it." and that I "over-reacted" :roll:


Same here. You did the right thing though, and any parent would be wise to tell their child to fight back if they are being bullied.

It also helps to teach them some self defense. As far as giving them the confidence to fight back goes, teach them that it isn't so important that you actually win a fight with the bullies, as this may be difficult if they are older, bigger or stronger than your child. However, the goal in fighting back with any bully should be to cause them as much pain as possible in the fight. So much that they will think twice before picking on your child again.

It is extremely important for parents to let their kids know that they will stand behind them if they get in trouble for fighting back, and fight any unfair disciplinary actions the school lays down. Even to the point of threatening to remove the child from that school if necessary, and even to the point of following through if necessary.

Bullying cannot be tolerated, not from kids who don't know any better, and certainly not from the establishment, which should know better, but which is often the biggest bully of them all.


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25 May 2008, 6:38 pm

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THEY are disgusting. :evil: And the teacher's the worst of all. I mean, it always annoys me when adults say 'Children can be so cruel' - where the heck do they think the children learn it from?

The first thing I thought when I read this was 'OMG, so now Big Brother has a junior version?!' Seriously. There's a whole current in society and the media these days of it actually being OK and good to hate, mock and exclude anyone construed as being 'different'. Schools are supposed to be where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud, not encouraged.


They learn it on their own. I had to explain to a little five year old that it was wrong to make fun of gay people, after he had been pointing and laughing at a very effeminate homosexual friend of mine and saying something along the lines of "haha, that man acts like a lady!" I know the kid certainly didn't learn that kind of crap from his mom.
Schools actually are places where this kind of thing is nipped in the bud (things like the five year old's behaviour towards my friend), which is why the little kid was voted out of his class. He was causing his classmates the same kind of grief that the five year old was trying to cause my friend.


Unfortunately if schools try to nip that BS in the bud the knuckle-draggers will scream and b***h about their kids being indoctrinated with "Godless Communist anti-American propaganda." :roll: There are a lot of bigoted jerks in this country who would applaud kids that bully people who are different.


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25 May 2008, 6:39 pm

Odin wrote:
nirrti_rachelle wrote:
tailfins1959 wrote:
As an Aspie my life has been made happier and has progressed with less harassment by avoiding black people and "liberated" women.



OH NOEZ! Not teh evil colored folks and liberal womezs! Whatever shall we do?! ! Whatever shall we do?! !

...Had to get that out of my system... :wink:


I can't believe there are people who stilled use the racist term "colored people", the PC version "People of Color" is just as BS as well IMO. Both terms perpetuate racialist essentialism.


Who exactly comes up with this stuff? It seems there's someone out there that wants to keep changing the language. Does it make them feel powerful?

It's especially irritating to see hyphenated American. It means they are American second. As far as race attitudes go, I will take a second look on MY calendar. And I will do when people stop telling me I MUST reach a certain conclusion before even beginning to make observations.


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