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24 Oct 2009, 2:38 am

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A woman gets a flu shot and then 10 days later she gets a condition. I don't know what to think.



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24 Oct 2009, 4:00 am

Some folks seem to think this is psychogenic meaning that it's all in this lady's head. She got the flu shot last year and this would be the first case of dystonia from a flu shot ever. I'll get worried when they prove the shot gave this to her or someone else gets it.



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24 Oct 2009, 7:36 am

I know someone who refuses to get the flu shot because she knew someone who was paralyzed after being inoculated against the last "swine flu" epidemic. My son's school sent out release forms for the upcoming program to inoculate the kids first(along with pregnant women). I noticed on the form they asked if your child had had Guilles-Barre Syndrome, a kind of temporary paralysis. Maybe there are some preconditions that raise the risk of this happening. I do know it was extremely rare.


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24 Oct 2009, 10:15 am

No flu shot for me! I'll leave well enough alone.



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24 Oct 2009, 10:44 am

You are about 10 times as likely to get Guilles-Barre Syndrome from flu as from a flu shot and it is almost always temporary.



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24 Oct 2009, 11:56 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA35ETjCwxk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mevomZ--uY&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMinIt5Yq2E&feature=related[/youtube]



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25 Oct 2009, 9:31 pm

shadfly wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA35ETjCwxk[youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mevomZ--uY&feature=related[youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMinIt5Yq2E&feature=related[youtube]


First clip; RussiaToday, a mouthpiece for the Russian government. Strike one. Interviewee is a conspiracy theorist who believes the Swine Flu is man-made, strike two.

Second clip: Out of context conspiracy circle-jerk material. Also, I like how the description tells us that it's no more dangerous than the common flu. :roll:

Third clip: That's David Icke, the man who believes that our leaders are shape-shifting Reptilians.

On all counts: Conspiracy BS.



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25 Oct 2009, 10:37 pm

Don't forget Alex Jones
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GnWcAJwg9Q[/youtube]



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26 Oct 2009, 3:15 am

EC wrote:
On all counts: Conspiracy BS.


It's not like the OFFICIALS aren't crying wolf either. The same pattern tends to be repeated:

1. declare that the sky is falling.

2. exaggerate the nature of the threat.

3. promulgate a magic bullet fix to the problem.

4. imply that the skeptics are deranged conspiracy theorists.

5. repeat endlessly and forcefully on all available media 1, 2, 3, and 4

Typical political spin, and it always works. Got us a war in Iraq. Made millionaires out of a caste of Y2K consultants. Forced the closing of hundreds of hospitals to visitors during the SARS crisis, while many families watched helplessly as loved ones died alone. Global warming skeptics (i.e. research scientists) are now on par with holocaust deniers.

Meanwhile the real criminals, despoilers of the environment - large scale mining, oil production, hydroelectric dams, arms producers, etc. - get away with murder because we have been trained to hear and react only to alarm bells.

Common sense is no longer common...



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26 Oct 2009, 6:54 am

I am not taking any flu shots. They're useless (as it just turned out) when something new comes along, and my immune system is pretty good. I don't understand the point of pushing vaccines against mundane viruses such as normal flue on perfectly healthy people. And when something truly deadly comes around, they never treat it in time anyway. Spanish flu, anyone?



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26 Oct 2009, 7:51 am

I worry about newborn babies with this flu shot, but the power of suggestion coupled with fear means almost no parent will take a chance not vaccinating them.



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26 Oct 2009, 8:50 am

Oink if you have swine flu topic

I am first in line on November 3, 2009 at 10 o'clock at 80 Bradford Street, suite 100, Entrance One, in my city in my country.


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26 Oct 2009, 11:50 am

shadfly wrote:
EC wrote:
On all counts: Conspiracy BS.


It's not like the OFFICIALS aren't crying wolf either. The same pattern tends to be repeated:

1. declare that the sky is falling.

2. exaggerate the nature of the threat.

3. promulgate a magic bullet fix to the problem.

4. imply that the skeptics are deranged conspiracy theorists.

5. repeat endlessly and forcefully on all available media 1, 2, 3, and 4


...but all of the videos you posted were of conspiracy theorists, and promoting conspiracy theories. Vaccines work, and denying that shows a profound ignorance, or closed mind(Thank you, pseudo-science!). There is no intellectual basis for the claims that vaccines are evil, and in this particular case about the swine flu, the people who are pushing it are idiot conspiracy theorists(Alex Jones, et al), ignorant people, and Ron Paul supporters(they're a bit of both column A and B). Not being vaccinated puts not only yourself and other people at risk, but the entire country because if herd immunity drops below 85%, things like Measles, Mumps, and Rubella can re-surface just like what happened in Britain after the giant f**ktard Andrew Wakefield propogated his MMR-vaccine scare. The reason officials might be concerned is because there's a very real danger of a pandemic...? Or they might be Reptilians working for the Bilderberg group, trying to kill 80% of us so the NWO can move us all in giant dome-cities so they can better manage and control us. Come on, dude, don't believe these psychopaths. Our leaders are not Reptilians, governments are not fronts for the NWO, and vaccines are not just another way to kill us.



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26 Oct 2009, 7:18 pm

I haven't heard that everyone should get the swine flu vaccine... to the contrary, news outlets are reporting shortages and recommending vaccination only for the very young, the very old, pregnant women and people with compromised immune systems... there is no reason at all for a perfectly healthy cheerleader to be getting the swine flu vaccine...

also, looking at this video, i can't help but think she might be faking... near the beginning of the video, she's trying to walk, jerking all around, but she has no trouble at all brushing the hair out of her eyes... she can run fine, and speak fine while running, but she can't speak at all when she's lying on her couch, although when lying on her couch she suddenly isn't jerking around any more...

Ten bucks says she's suing the vaccine makers, even though there is no indication that the vaccine caused this, other than the fact that she got vaccinated before this supposedly happened to her...

Correlation does not equal causation...

Newscasters know this, but they can't resist letting the viewer believe otherwise, because sensational stories increase ratings... why don't they blame her energy drink, or the ink used to print her t-shirt, or even, god forbid, a product made by one of the news show's sponsors?



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27 Oct 2009, 7:27 am

Why must a media frenzy be whipped up surrounding EVERY SINGLE VACCINE KNOWN TO MANKIND?? Do they actually want people to die of measles, mumps, rubella, flu, and cervical cancer?

You know what I think this is all about? A bunch of people who are scared of having to have injections, and instead of just admitting that they're acting like children, they'll use any excuse to get out of having the damned jabs. At the expense of the most gullible sections of the general public.


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27 Oct 2009, 8:00 am

To EC:

Yeah there are many conspiracy theorists and nuts out there. But it seems that once an Official Position has been taken, anyone with an alternative view is labeled a nutbar or heretic.

As I tried to show in my last post. Science is supposed to be open and skepticism is the norm, but consensus rules the day in many issues and funding agencies dictate which views will prevail. And the major method used to get a message across is 'scare tactics'.

Why does the media never devote serious time to alternative viewpoints, or ask hard questions?

The swine flu vaccine in 1976 did cause serious complications and deaths. Other scares have proven to be 'crying wolf' exercises. Rational skeptics have been branded 'deniers' 'heretics' etc. by the mainstream. The media consistently buries important matters of interest.