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13 Oct 2009, 7:06 am

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3178242.stm

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Psychological pain in humans, especially grief and intense loneliness, may share some of the same neural pathways that elaborate physical pain
Dr Jaak Panksepp, Bowling Green State University, Ohio


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"Given the dependence of mammalian young on their caregivers, it is hard not to comprehend the strong survival value conferred by common neural pathways that elaborate both social attachment and the affective qualities of physical pain."


Brain scan shows rejection pain

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Being snubbed socially provokes exactly the same brain response as being physically hurt, say US researchers.

Volunteers were asked to play a computer game designed to fool them into feeling excluded, while brain scans were taken at the same time.

After the computerised snub, the scan detected activity in an area of the brain linked to physical pain.

Experts say the study, from the journal Science, is a hint to the importance the brain places on social ties.

The researchers involved in the study, from the University of California at Los Angeles, used an MRI scanner to probe the brains of their test subject as their feelings were manipulated.

These scanners can detect subtle changes in blood flow to various parts of the brain - which indicate when the region is active.

To provoke the right response, they devised an ingenious computer simulation designed to be reminiscent of a playground game.

The participants were shown a screen which gave the appearance of a "ball-throwing" game involving both the volunteer and two other figures, represented by animated characters.


Psychological pain in humans, especially grief and intense loneliness, may share some of the same neural pathways that elaborate physical pain
Dr Jaak Panksepp, Bowling Green State University, Ohio
The test subjects were told that real people were controlling the other two "people", and the game took the form of throwing the ball in turn between all three of them.

Of course, this was an elaborate hoax - there were no other human players, and the other characters in the game were controlled entirely by the computer.

At first, the game proceeded as it should, with the ball coming at regular intervals to the player controlled by the human volunteer.

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However, after a while, the two computer controlled characters started throwing the ball only to each other, apparently excluding the test subject from the game.

It was at this point that the brain reactions were measured by the scanner.

The researchers noticed one key area of the brain "lighting up" on the scan when this happened.

This area, the anterior cingulate cortex, is already known to be associated with the brain's response to the unpleasant feelings linked to physical pain.

This was not just a frustrated reaction to not being able to play - researchers had already tested this by having a short period at the start of the game in which the controls appeared not to work properly.

The researchers wrote: "Evidence suggests that some of the same neural machinery recruited in the experience of pain may also be associated with social separation or rejection."

Powerful feelings

Dr Jaak Panksepp, from the Centre for Neuroscience, Mind and Behavior at Bowling Green State University in Ohio, said that feelings of social exclusion were powerful instincts in animals and humans.

He said: "The feelings induced by experimental games in the laboratory, are a pale shadow of the real-life feelings that humans and other animals experience in response to the sudden loss of social support.

"Psychological pain in humans, especially grief and intense loneliness, may share some of the same neural pathways that elaborate physical pain.

"Given the dependence of mammalian young on their caregivers, it is hard not to comprehend the strong survival value conferred by common neural pathways that elaborate both social attachment and the affective qualities of physical pain."



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13 Oct 2009, 11:08 am

I wonder if this activation of the anterior cingulate cortex is also responsible for the seeming physical sensation I have upon rejection... first, like being hit, and then my skin becomes extremely sensitive, like a bad sunburn, a kind of momentary aching.



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15 Oct 2009, 4:42 am

DonkeyBuster wrote:
I wonder if this activation of the anterior cingulate cortex is also responsible for the seeming physical sensation I have upon rejection... first, like being hit, and then my skin becomes extremely sensitive, like a bad sunburn, a kind of momentary aching.


Yeah, that's seems like a good (& familiar) possible candidate. I wonder also about memories of rejection -- that feeling like a twinge as if getting stuck with a pin (or hatchet, or chainsaw, depending on the memory).



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15 Oct 2009, 9:10 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
DonkeyBuster wrote:
I wonder if this activation of the anterior cingulate cortex is also responsible for the seeming physical sensation I have upon rejection... first, like being hit, and then my skin becomes extremely sensitive, like a bad sunburn, a kind of momentary aching.


Yeah, that's seems like a good (& familiar) possible candidate. I wonder also about memories of rejection -- that feeling like a twinge as if getting stuck with a pin (or hatchet, or chainsaw, depending on the memory).


I don't know enough about how memory functions in the brain to say, but it seems that if the process of remembering activates the same areas of the brain as in the original experience, then yes the physical sensations would also accompany them...

depends on the acuteness of the memory. I'm thinking of PTSD episodes where the memory is strong enough to block current reality... and then once the traumatic memory is processed to some degree--say, through EMDR--it can be viewed in a more detached fashion without the 'reliving' it experience.

I've got to get me a good brain book...



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15 Oct 2009, 10:32 am

I posted a while back about psychologically suffering for me is having a physical pain in my brain. Suprisingly, no one who responded seemed to understand what I was talking about. Suffice to say I can relate to this news article.


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15 Oct 2009, 11:00 am

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I posted a while back about psychologically suffering for me is having a physical pain in my brain. Suprisingly, no one who responded seemed to understand what I was talking about. Suffice to say I can relate to this news article.


Perhaps it was misunderstood? Or just a slow day.

There are no actual sensation/pain neurons in the brain, which is why a person can be awake and alert during brain surgery.

I don't know if you're referring to the "picture scramble" that happens with confusing or overwhelming input or the sensation of body blows when you haven't actually received them.

I know I've also been so depressed that it felt like my skin was on fire...



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15 Oct 2009, 11:14 am

For me the pain is aways centered in my gut and have even vomited before from extrem emotional pain.