Breakdowns from cold in France after Warming in Copenhagen

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19 Dec 2009, 10:59 am

Okay, so the trains in France are broken by cold just after Global Warming Summit in Copenhagen.

I am amused.
Greatly.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091219/ap_on_re_eu/eu_train_breakdowns

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Brown blamed the breakdowns on extremely low temperatures and heavy snow in northern France, which he called the worst in eight years. The problem began because of the abrupt temperature change when trains traveled through extremely cold air in France and then entered the warm tunnel, he said.

Eurostar said there were "extreme subzero" temperatures (in Centigrade) in northern France. The temperature inside the tunnels varies according to its depth but was much warmer than the air outside, it said.


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19 Dec 2009, 11:11 am

8O Global Warming! 8O Global Warming! 8O Global Warming! 8O

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7817124.stm

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Emergency teams are trying to restore power to thousands of homes in the south of France after the worst blizzard conditions in two decades.

The city of Marseille had to close its international airport on Wednesday as the freezing weather gripped much of Europe. Chris Bockman reports.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7815773.stm
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The freezing conditions have continued to produce scenes of ice and snow across the UK as temperatures plunged to -12C (10.4F) overnight.


{Yes, I know, southern France this week is not the entire planet over twenty years and the years to come}
{I just felt like being a sarcastic brat} :P
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19 Dec 2009, 11:13 pm

I am not amused, I feel sorry for these people:

2,000 people in five eurostar trains, stranded in the channel tunnel for up to 15 hours,
without food or drinks, there was no power, no airconditioning, it was very hot.
The electrics of the trains broke down because of the change from the cold in France to the warmer atmosphere in the tunnel to England.
And trains won't run in the tunnel this weekend.

I hope they can fix the problem and I hope it won't happen again.

See:
BBC - Thousands freed from Channel Tunnel after trains fail
msnbc - Paris-London trains cease after breakdown


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20 Dec 2009, 3:44 am

Scientist wrote:
I am not amused, I feel sorry for these people:

2,000 people in five eurostar trains, stranded in the channel tunnel for up to 15 hours,
without food or drinks, there was no power, no airconditioning, it was very hot.
The electrics of the trains broke down because of the change from the cold in France to the warmer atmosphere in the tunnel to England.
And trains won't run in the tunnel this weekend.

I hope they can fix the problem and I hope it won't happen again.


It was unpleasant, but the irony cannot be denied. Chicken Little is clucking that sky is melting during one of the coldest winters in recent history.

When death and destruction reign, the only sane thing to do is to see the cosmic humor in it.

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20 Dec 2009, 11:41 am

southwestforests wrote:
8O Global Warming! 8O Global Warming! 8O Global Warming! 8O

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7817124.stm
Quote:
Emergency teams are trying to restore power to thousands of homes in the south of France after the worst blizzard conditions in two decades.

The city of Marseille had to close its international airport on Wednesday as the freezing weather gripped much of Europe. Chris Bockman reports.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7815773.stm
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The freezing conditions have continued to produce scenes of ice and snow across the UK as temperatures plunged to -12C (10.4F) overnight.


{Yes, I know, southern France this week is not the entire planet over twenty years and the years to come}
{I just felt like being a sarcastic brat} :P
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The new Catch-phrase is not Global Warming but Global Climate Change.....

If you haven't read Stewart Brand's Whole Earth Discipline, I suggest you do so:

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From the founder and editor of the Whole Earth Catalog is Stewart Brand's vision of a sustainable future.....

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Brand, co-author of the seminal 1969 Whole Earth Catalog, compiles reflections and lessons learned from more than 40 years as an environmentalist in this clumsy yet compelling attempt to inspire practicable solutions to climate change. Brand haphazardly organizes his manifesto into chapters that address environmental stewardship opportunities, exhorting environmentalists to become fearless about following science; his iconoclastic proposals include transitioning to nuclear energy and ecosystem engineering. Brand believes environmentalists must embrace nuclear energy expansion and other inevitable technological advances, and refreshingly suggests a shift in the environmentalists' dogmatic approach to combating climate change. Rejecting the inflexible message so common in the Green movement, he describes a process of reasonable debate and experimentation. Brand's fresh perspective, approachable writing style and manifest wisdom ultimately convince the reader that the future is not an abyss to be feared but an opportunity for innovative problem solvers to embrace enthusiastically. (Oct.)
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20 Dec 2009, 12:41 pm

richie wrote:
The new Catch-phrase is not Global Warming but Global Climate Change.....




Of course. That way no matter what happens the pinko-stinko-eko-phreaks can blame the industrialized West for everything that goes wrong.

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20 Dec 2009, 1:11 pm

As a resident of Northern France I'd just like to add that it is Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuken freezing here! :(


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20 Dec 2009, 3:31 pm

It almost feel like God is asking us to calm down this [s]global warming[/s] climate change hysteria.



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20 Dec 2009, 5:51 pm

I know we're joking around here, but just to be sure - The kids will laugh at you if you really take an argument like "it's cold outside" and use it bash global warming. That is just silly, and I would call troll on anyone doing it.



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20 Dec 2009, 5:57 pm

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and I would call troll on anyone doing it.
Who, me? Naaah. I'm a sweetheart :twisted:


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20 Dec 2009, 8:08 pm

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Nick Mercer said three test trains sent through the Channel Tunnel on Sunday ran successfully, but that it became clear that the especially bad weather meant that snow was being sucked into the trains in a way "that has never happened before."

"The engineers on board have recommended strongly that, in light of further snowfalls that are happening tonight, we make some modifications to the trains on snow shields to stop snow being ingested into the power car," he told the BBC.


Just remembered that Pennsylvania Railroad ran into similar trouble with their GG-1 electrics, let me go grab the Pennsy Power book.

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Here we go, February 1958: freak snowstorm produced "Diamond Snow" particles not normal to the region. They got sucked into traction motor blowers, melted and shorted the motors.
And that even though the locos had fine weave Japanese silk snow screens already over the intakes.

Eventually took developing an epoxy resin to coat traction motors and other electrical gizmos in the locos.

That worked, motors would even run submerged :shock:


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21 Dec 2009, 12:21 am

We could not expect the great Eurostar system to ask some hobby model train freaks in the Post Colonial world about how electric trains work and don't work, they are Homo Euro Superior.

What was known since 1958 was never discovered in Europe, hence does not exist!

I'll bet the Asian trains have epoxy sealed motors.

The Great Powers that would rule the world, and the weather, had their whimpy little trains run and hide in a hole and refuse to come out over -10F? That is almost summer in North Dakota and Minnisota!

Europe is alright for the quaint villages built from the rubble of WWII, and as a Beer Museum, but technology does not recognise the Devine Right of Kings, stick to stomping grapes, something you are good at.

All the trains were full of soccor holligans coming back from jail in Copenhagen where they protested technology. They demanded that all industry come to a stand still because of global warming.

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21 Dec 2009, 12:51 am

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We could not expect the great Eurostar system to ask some hobby model train freaks in the Post Colonial world about how electric trains work and don't work, they are Homo Euro Superior.

Well, why ever not? I'll just neeeeeever understand :P

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It sure does look like that at times. :jester: :joker: :clown:


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21 Dec 2009, 2:13 am

TallyMan wrote:
As a resident of Northern France I'd just like to add that it is Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuken freezing here! :(

here in canada we call it nippley