The Big Global Warming Swindle movie - DEBUNKED!

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18 Dec 2009, 2:35 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boj9ccV9htk[/youtube]
I must say with shame that at the time, I, too, believed the crock they spewed in this movie when I first saw it. Lies that are neatly packaged like this will indeed keep circulating, and to this day I see people parroting the lies of this movie, so I thought I'd take the opportunity post a nice deconstruction of this major component of the climate denialists' propaganda.

But now I know, and
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18 Dec 2009, 3:43 am

EC wrote:
....I must say with shame that at the time, I, too, believed the crock they spewed in this movie when I first saw it. Lies that are neatly packaged like this will indeed keep circulating, and to this day I see people parroting the lies of this movie...

The media are generally only interested in making money and if that means editing a programme to make a good story, rather than accurately describing a situation, then that's what they'll do. This is manifest not just in global warming coverage, but right across the board from the representation of legal trials to general political commentary. Our society and democratic process is held together with a sticky web of crap spun by tabloid newspapers and likes of C4.

Did you put together that You Tube clip?



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18 Dec 2009, 4:38 am

Given the amount of money and power whichever side wins will be able to control, I expect little to no "fair fighting" to happen.
Ever.
And for any even small percentage of reality (truth) to be so "spun" as to be unrecognizable.

And I will therefore tend to be cynical toward whichever side catches my attention that day.
Because in and of myself, I don't know.

And no longer believe I can know without the first hand knowledge from what would amount to essentially being Almighty God myself.
And believe me, I'm a loooooooooooooong way from there!


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18 Dec 2009, 6:20 am

I know why I miss movies, and why I don't have speakers.

Every year 1 in 50 people die. Do you have a problem with that?

Swine Flu which disappoints me kills more than Global Warming.

The automobile is our best hope, and they keep making them safer.

The real issue is the coming famine, people grow faster than food and we did it all in the Green Revolution, and there is no more. Falling crop yields, drought, it's coming soon.

I do not believe the climate is changing any more than it always has, and that we could do anything about it is impossible.



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18 Dec 2009, 10:04 pm

One thing I think people don't seem to realise with global warming is the length of time it takes for changes to happen normally. Ice ages take 10s/100s of thousands of years to run through a cycle. If the average temperature of the Earth rises 0.5C then that is a massively fast change, for what about 100 years of industrialisation. At the very least living greener would be living healthier. Jobs aren't an issue either, people will always find something to do. People are too "here and now".



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19 Dec 2009, 6:57 am

Hey, don't you love it that Obama publicly admitted that he had to leave the Global Warming summit early so that he could get back to Washington before blizzards closed down the airports?



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19 Dec 2009, 11:10 am

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Hey, don't you love it that Obama publicly admitted that he had to leave the Global Warming summit early so that he could get back to Washington before blizzards closed down the airports?

Warming can cause additional snow in some areas, actually, as the atmosphere will contain more water vapour.



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19 Dec 2009, 3:57 pm

Yea, that makes sense. Warming can cause more snow and make it colder... Wait what?

I'm still waiting for a little warming here in Wisconsin. We could use some.



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19 Dec 2009, 4:19 pm

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Warming can cause additional snow in some areas, actually, as the atmosphere will contain more water vapour.

Can cooling cause warming in some areas by some kind of inverse of that mechanism?


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20 Dec 2009, 5:50 am

southwestforests wrote:
ascan wrote:
Warming can cause additional snow in some areas, actually, as the atmosphere will contain more water vapour.

Can cooling cause warming in some areas by some kind of inverse of that mechanism?

Cooling could lead to less water in the atmosphere, and less snow in some areas. That could impact on the growth of ice sheets, and ice sheets (because they are white) reflect solar radiation. So, although seemingly paradoxical, theoretically cooling can lead to warming through a feedback mechanism. In reality there are lots of other feedbacks happening so to attach any importance to one mechanism you need to consider the full context.



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20 Dec 2009, 6:03 am

Jacoby wrote:
Yea, that makes sense. Warming can cause more snow and make it colder... Wait what?

Snow doesn't require it to be necessarily colder. For example some of the driest places on earth are in Antartica and they get very little snow. What does fall stays -- for hundreds of thousands of years. It is both exceptionally cold and exceptionally dry. For snow you need water in the atmosphere and relatively moderate temperatures (just enough for the water to freeze and stay frozen at ground level).