Pres. Obama's speech: Jobs and other good stuff

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27 Jan 2010, 10:40 pm

That's how I paraphrase President Obama's State of the Union Address: Jobs and the environment, Jobs and education, Jobs and health care, and in general, Jobs and other good things.

And not a bad way to go about it.



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27 Jan 2010, 10:44 pm

wasnt very good.

its obama, lets see if he follows through.


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27 Jan 2010, 10:55 pm

since when does any politician completely follow through??

But if he partially follows through . . .

And we as individual citizens perhaps can do more than we commonly give ourselves credit for.



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27 Jan 2010, 10:58 pm

Jobs? What jobs?

If America wanted jobs then why did they "offshore" all the manufacturing to third world countries and then offshore millions more jobs like call center telephone staff to third world countries and then import millions of third worlders to mop up whatever pathetic few jobs were left?

Obama. Isn't that the guy who promised that if the middle east wars were still on when he became president then the first thing he would do was "bring the troops home"?

"You can take that to the bank!" he said.
Well the only thing he took to the bank was trillions of dollars of YOUR money so that the crooks could pay themselves record bonuses this year.



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27 Jan 2010, 11:04 pm

We need to withdraw troops reasonably quickly without set time table. Yes, Pres. Obama should have moved quicker.



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27 Jan 2010, 11:05 pm

The economy is like a shark swimming forward warts and all.

It has to keep swimming forward, and you turn it as you can (for example, to more emphasis on green jobs and renewable energy).



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27 Jan 2010, 11:52 pm

AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
The economy is like a shark swimming forward warts and all.

It has to keep swimming forward, and you turn it as you can (for example, to more emphasis on green jobs and renewable energy).


The Ship of State like a great ocean liner, turns very slowly. . .


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28 Jan 2010, 12:21 am

I'd like to know where these "jobs" are going to come from. They don't just get created out of thin air.



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28 Jan 2010, 12:38 am

Steve Jobs?


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28 Jan 2010, 11:25 am

irishaspie wrote:
wasnt very good.

its obama, lets see if he follows through.


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28 Jan 2010, 11:28 am

sinsboldly wrote:
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:
The economy is like a shark swimming forward warts and all.

It has to keep swimming forward, and you turn it as you can (for example, to more emphasis on green jobs and renewable energy).


The Ship of State like a great ocean liner, turns very slowly. . .


More like one of those gigantic 1000 foot long oil tankers. It takes ten miles for them to stop or turn.

You will notice that Lord Obama has scheduled fiscal reform for 2011 safely after the 2010 bi-election. And the fiscal reform will deal with chump change. No real reform will happen under Obama.

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29 Jan 2010, 12:29 pm

After the November elections coming up, his effectiveness will be minimal, as the Dems are quite likely going to lose both houses of congress.



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29 Jan 2010, 2:30 pm

Wombat wrote:
Jobs? What jobs?

If America wanted jobs then why did they "offshore" all the manufacturing to third world countries and then offshore millions more jobs like call center telephone staff to third world countries and then import millions of third worlders to mop up whatever pathetic few jobs were left?

Obama. Isn't that the guy who promised that if the middle east wars were still on when he became president then the first thing he would do was "bring the troops home"?

"You can take that to the bank!" he said.
Well the only thing he took to the bank was trillions of dollars of YOUR money so that the crooks could pay themselves record bonuses this year.
This is a post I can agree with.


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29 Jan 2010, 5:37 pm

You know, a classic economist will say that something like Vietnam manufacturing shoes for Nike is win-win (they will! they almost take that to be doctrine and dogma).

Of course, when a job is glaringly and obviously abusive, that’s not win-win (real bad like the company hiring thugs against union activists, pretty bad like glues and cleaners unsafe to breathe on any kind of regular basis, or just garden-variety bad like some idiot yelling at you when he or she does not need to yell at you, that is, the “supervisor” could just have a conversation with you if he or she just seemingly knew how).

But there is an optimistic lining to this cloud. If we could just correct these abuses in straightforward ways, then maybe we’re not too far away from something honest and above-board, and more people being prosperous in the world is good for us, too, because the they can be trading partners.

Future jobs hopefully will come from green energy, technology infrastructure, etc. Or direct services, kind of hard to outsource haircutting, although I’m sure they’re going to try! Or medicine, yeah, it would be nice if you could talk to your doctor long enough to actually learn something, and/or be easily and comfortably referred to a specialist. If “information technology” worked, and if it was implemented in a decentralized and non-corporate-hierarchical way, the world could be a far better place.



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29 Jan 2010, 5:38 pm

In my view, the 2003 Iraq War was not “necessary,” was not the least harmful course of action available in the circumstances. However, once it was fought, we should have rebuilt Iraq for approximately three months. Do as much as we can---roads, schools, hospitals, water systems, Internet access, a variety of independent radio stations and newspapers, etc, etc---for three months and then come home. As it was, we royally wore out our welcome.



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30 Jan 2010, 12:50 am

The Ship is doomed.

This followed the Enron Worldcom pattern, lie, claim everything is doing great, and pass it on if you can. As Obama said, I would rather be one term, and give the results back to the Republicans.

Jobs are local and come from small business. They cannot buy a company, fire everyone, and send the jobs abroad. Production, service, have to stay local. The only way is going into debt, and small business has been funded on credit cards for decades.

Truth is, about one in five startups last a year, a lot less five years. Many were just a loss for tax purposes. Our whole system is not about work and business, it is about tax and credit. Credit is down, taxes as a share of returns are up, and are going farther up. When business drops by half, the rent, utitilities stay the same. Getting a tax credit for a new hire does nothing, for without profit, no tax, no use for a credit.

A $5,000 credit comes after paying at least $20,000 for a new worker, but we are losing money already. A business has to do $100,000 in business, to make $20,000, so the tax credit would be on the next $20,000 profit. If we could do that, we would not wait for a credit.

70% of the economy is the consumer, and 20+% of them are unemployed, the rest are scared and paying down debt.

It is a problem with demand.

It is a problem with over supply.

When business after business is folding up and closing, expanding is insanity.

When everyone in the life boat is dying of thirst and hunger, what is the value of a gold coin?

Basic economics, I will see to it that you eat, drink, and have a roof over your head and clothes.

I cannot educated your children, care for your health, or preserve your life. Life is a risk, and no one gets out alive. The best I can do is give you the best shot.

The only way I can do that is if you give me something in return. Economics is based on mutual survival.

What should have been done is let the market crash. All of the efforts of government only lead to a crash in slow motion. When AIG was gone, speculators jumping out of buildings, the Dow at 2,000, I would be buying.

So a lot of rich people lose their money, let them work to make more.

We The People were given their losses, and now when the banks fail, We The People pay, and all of the debt, is put on us, now about $100,000 per man woman and child. That is above our personal debt.

In the last decade the stock market has lost between 29% and 50% according to whos numbers you use. Giving your money to business has not been a good investment.

Our per capita debt is like a mortgage, that $100,000 will cost $500,000 to pay off, plus living expenses. To do that everyone has to make $100,000 a year, including children.

The ship is doomed.

Ask not what your Country can do for you, ask how you can avoid them and survive.

This is an age of gods, the earth shaker in Haiti, Hurricane in New Orleans, powers beyond the frail hand of government, when a bottle of water is the greatest value.

Time to pick a good lifeboat, see to your supplies, chose who to trust with your life.