Burned body in trash identified as model

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07 Jan 2010, 9:33 pm

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/07/flo ... index.html

(CNN) -- Paula Sladewski, a 26-year-old who once modeled for Playboy, was identified Wednesday by Miami police as the person found dead and "burned beyond recognition" in a trash bin on Sunday.



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08 Jan 2010, 7:53 am

That is so sad. :( I hope they find her killer or killers.


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08 Jan 2010, 8:26 pm

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09 Jan 2010, 2:41 pm

-Inquires about techniques used to identify her if she was burned beyond "recognition"- :p



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09 Jan 2010, 6:10 pm

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-Inquires about techniques used to identify her if she was burned beyond "recognition"- :p


Dental records, according to the article. She wasn't recognizable just by looking at her (fire tends to do that); they had to compare records to determine identity.


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11 Jan 2010, 7:59 am

Gruesome...


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12 Jan 2010, 10:44 am

I just saw an interview with her brother on the news. It made me cry, this poor guy talking about his little sister burned beyond recognition (he actually said the words) and how it drives him nuts that the killer is still out there eating and breathing... I hope they figure it out, she was just about my age, poor girl. D: And poor brother. I have a little sister too..


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13 Jan 2010, 1:14 am

It sounds like her boyfriend is the most likely suspect.



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13 Jan 2010, 11:37 am

What on earth?



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13 Jan 2010, 2:26 pm

I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


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13 Jan 2010, 5:02 pm

dddhgg wrote:
I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


If it were sufficiently hot to melt, or even evaporate, the calcium and other mineral compositional elements of the teeth, then certainly it could. Tautologically so, even. However, being anywhere near such a source of heat would not be a good idea. Maybe a mile away would be a good distance?

It is interesting to note that people can be identified by their dental records...



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14 Jan 2010, 6:18 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
dddhgg wrote:
I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


If it were sufficiently hot to melt, or even evaporate, the calcium and other mineral compositional elements of the teeth, then certainly it could. Tautologically so, even. However, being anywhere near such a source of heat would not be a good idea. Maybe a mile away would be a good distance?

It is interesting to note that people can be identified by their dental records...


But if so, then what's the point of criminals burning their victims? No quickly improvised fire is going to get so hot as to completely destroy bones and teeth. But why bother then? Just put them in an acid bath and the bones in the grinder and scatter the fragments into the sea, I'd say.


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14 Jan 2010, 10:24 am

dddhgg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
dddhgg wrote:
I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


If it were sufficiently hot to melt, or even evaporate, the calcium and other mineral compositional elements of the teeth, then certainly it could. Tautologically so, even. However, being anywhere near such a source of heat would not be a good idea. Maybe a mile away would be a good distance?

It is interesting to note that people can be identified by their dental records...


But if so, then what's the point of criminals burning their victims? No quickly improvised fire is going to get so hot as to completely destroy bones and teeth. But why bother then? Just put them in an acid bath and the bones in the grinder and scatter the fragments into the sea, I'd say.


Don't you mean throw the dead body in a pit of hot lava?



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14 Jan 2010, 11:24 am

Lava isn't readily available everywhere. But if it is available, then yes.


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14 Jan 2010, 2:37 pm

dddhgg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
dddhgg wrote:
I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


If it were sufficiently hot to melt, or even evaporate, the calcium and other mineral compositional elements of the teeth, then certainly it could. Tautologically so, even. However, being anywhere near such a source of heat would not be a good idea. Maybe a mile away would be a good distance?

It is interesting to note that people can be identified by their dental records...


But if so, then what's the point of criminals burning their victims? No quickly improvised fire is going to get so hot as to completely destroy bones and teeth. But why bother then? Just put them in an acid bath and the bones in the grinder and scatter the fragments into the sea, I'd say.


Although burning won't make it impossible to identify the murder victim, it will destroy a lot of bodily evidence that could be used to convict the murderer. When people murder, they may leave behind DNA evidence. Their skin may be stuck under the victim's fingernails if there was a fight. A strand of their hair may be stuck to the victim somewhere. If there was rape, their semen can be used to identify them. Fire doesn't destroy teeth but it does destroy all that DNA evidence. It also makes it very hard to tell exactly how the victim was murdered, another thing that can prevent finding out who the murderer was.



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14 Jan 2010, 3:16 pm

Janissy wrote:
dddhgg wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
dddhgg wrote:
I never quite understood why bones and teeth don't burn if the fire is sufficiently intense. Even after massive fires people can often still be identified by comparing dental records.


If it were sufficiently hot to melt, or even evaporate, the calcium and other mineral compositional elements of the teeth, then certainly it could. Tautologically so, even. However, being anywhere near such a source of heat would not be a good idea. Maybe a mile away would be a good distance?

It is interesting to note that people can be identified by their dental records...


But if so, then what's the point of criminals burning their victims? No quickly improvised fire is going to get so hot as to completely destroy bones and teeth. But why bother then? Just put them in an acid bath and the bones in the grinder and scatter the fragments into the sea, I'd say.


Although burning won't make it impossible to identify the murder victim, it will destroy a lot of bodily evidence that could be used to convict the murderer. When people murder, they may leave behind DNA evidence. Their skin may be stuck under the victim's fingernails if there was a fight. A strand of their hair may be stuck to the victim somewhere. If there was rape, their semen can be used to identify them. Fire doesn't destroy teeth but it does destroy all that DNA evidence. It also makes it very hard to tell exactly how the victim was murdered, another thing that can prevent finding out who the murderer was.


Yes, you're right. I completely forgot about DNA traces and cause of death. Still, a really thorough and clever murderer would get rid of the body entirely, for example using the method I described earlier, or by burning it and then blowing the remains to pieces with a highly explosive device.


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