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Claradoon
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20 Jan 2011, 3:29 am

Why don't they bring in quonset huts?



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20 Jan 2011, 5:49 am

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Why don't they bring in quonset huts?


Why don't the locals make mud bricks and build their own?



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20 Jan 2011, 9:34 am

It's good to know that all those billions we sent to Haiti was actually put to good use eh? NOT! Seriously this has to be one of the worst organized recovery efforts I have ever seen. And you'd think the U.N. would have some sort of organization plan to put into place whenever something like this happens but instead: we get tents and riots. To think they would've fixed the Presidential Palace by now at least but it's still in the same rubble it was when the earthquake happened. What the hell has happened to order, I tell you?



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20 Jan 2011, 10:21 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:
It's good to know that all those billions we sent to Haiti was actually put to good use eh? NOT! Seriously this has to be one of the worst organized recovery efforts I have ever seen. And you'd think the U.N. would have some sort of organization plan to put into place whenever something like this happens but instead: we get tents and riots. To think they would've fixed the Presidential Palace by now at least but it's still in the same rubble it was when the earthquake happened. What the hell has happened to order, I tell you?


The UN is too busy backing up the (corrupt) Haitian police in rounding up escaped convicts (often untried) to be bothered with actually rebuilding anything. Haiti was a corrupt shit-hole to start with, then most of it fell down, and now its the same corrupt shit-hole, under canvas. Inernational aid would be better served in paying for a coup than propping up the old regime. Not that any new government WE put in would be less bent, but it would be more subtle about it. Like ours is.


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20 Jan 2011, 10:48 am

Jean-Claude Duvalier will be the new ruler of Haiti. The U.S. wants it to be a Manigat vs Martelly runoff election, both are Duvalierists and look up to the Man... Duvalier will sit there on the throne and will hold court as the leader of the Haitian government. Duvalier will have a chance to replenish his bank accounts.



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20 Jan 2011, 11:14 am

You're right, all of you, but I still don't get it. During the first Gulf War, the US military erected a tent city to house 40,000 POWs in a few weeks. Shortly after that war, they ran a pipeline several miles from somewhere to provide endless water for refugees in the mountains.

It's sorta like the Prez just has to say, "Make it so." I really don't understand why that wasn't all fixed 11 months ago. There was no need to allow cholera, it could have been stopped.

Is it because they don't have oil?

Anybody here ever heard of General Dallaire (who would agree with us).



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20 Jan 2011, 11:50 am

It's a pacification programme. People who are forced to struggle for survival are not free and can be controlled more easily. They've been working overtime to stamp out the legacy of Aristide and democracy in Haiti. They want to return to the days of Jeanclaudism.

Go back to the past in Haiti and you'll see there was the threat of Daniel Fignole who could command thousands of people from the slums in the late 1950s. At one point he was made president and was thrown out of power three weeks later and sent into exile. They slaughtered hundreds of Fignole supporters during the coup. That narrowed the election field to the candidate of the elite, Dejoie, and Francois Duvalier. Duvalier was the most acceptable to the most people but he knew what to do but there was discomfort with his government because it was a black nationalist one. But when Jean-Claude took over the U.S. was benefiting from prolonged terror and a larger commitment to the elite's interests and that of international capital so they loved him. They went on about how he presided over the most peaceful period in Haiti's history. He then went too far when he first married someone out of the mulatto elite in an obscenely lavish ceremony and then he had the creole pigs exterminated when the U.S. ordered him to do, wiping out the savings of the Haitian peasantry.

It's back to Jeanclaudism...



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21 Jan 2011, 2:29 am

The country is hugely overpopulated.

They have cut down almost every tree in the country for firewood, with the result that most of the soil has washed away.

A couple of hundred years ago they killed every single white person on the island and became the first black country in the western hemisphere.

How well have they done? Err.... not very well.

So now they expect "the white folk" to rush in and give them everything they want for free.

Well, stuff 'em. Let them fix their own damned country.



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21 Jan 2011, 3:10 am

Wombat wrote:
The country is hugely overpopulated.

They have cut down almost every tree in the country for firewood, with the result that most of the soil has washed away.

A couple of hundred years ago they killed every single white person on the island and became the first black country in the western hemisphere.

How well have they done? Err.... not very well.

So now they expect "the white folk" to rush in and give them everything they want for free.

Well, stuff 'em. Let them fix their own damned country.

Another perspective is that they came from primitive tribespeople stolen from their families, transported against their will across the sea, plonked on a small piece of land and brutalised and forced into slavery. Would you expect that to build the foundation for a peaceful and organised country within a few lifetimes?!
White people created this problem to start with.



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21 Jan 2011, 11:22 am

nostromo wrote:
Wombat wrote:
The country is hugely overpopulated.

They have cut down almost every tree in the country for firewood, with the result that most of the soil has washed away.

A couple of hundred years ago they killed every single white person on the island and became the first black country in the western hemisphere.

How well have they done? Err.... not very well.

So now they expect "the white folk" to rush in and give them everything they want for free.

Well, stuff 'em. Let them fix their own damned country.

Another perspective is that they came from primitive tribespeople stolen from their families, transported against their will across the sea, plonked on a small piece of land and brutalised and forced into slavery. Would you expect that to build the foundation for a peaceful and organised country within a few lifetimes?!
White people created this problem to start with.


Haitian hell topic

The various corrupt governments/agencies (headed by foolish white bureaucrats) managing Haiti have done a piss-poor job. The better educated and decent and very lucky have left this Horror land.

What to do? The good people of Haiti have got to take responsibility, manage aid for education, housing industry and training for themselves and rebuild, like a habitat for humanity project, and clean up the greedy wasteland their dilapidated homeland has become.


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21 Jan 2011, 3:14 pm

Haiti needs Communism, it needs its own Chairman Mao.



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22 Jan 2011, 12:47 am

nostromo wrote:
Another perspective is that they came from primitive tribespeople stolen from their families, transported against their will across the sea, plonked on a small piece of land and brutalised and forced into slavery. Would you expect that to build the foundation for a peaceful and organised country within a few lifetimes?!
White people created this problem to start with.


England sent their criminals and riff-raff to Australia where they were sold into limited slavery and beaten with whips.

Yet within a couple of generations the sons and daughters of the convicts built a prosperous and democratic country.



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22 Jan 2011, 10:05 am

Australia was not ordered to pay a huge indemnity for the "stolen property" that they had to devote 80% of the treasury for it and keep paying for over a century. This is just one example. The worst curse Haiti has had recently is named Leslie Delatour. What scum. Always put in charge of the economy under every single government from the fall of Jean-Claude until his own death in 2001. Always deeply hated, but always with his hands on the levers. He was known as "the American". He is responsible for many of those earthquake deaths as well as for the accelerating destruction of the forest. His widow happens to be Haiti's First Lady!

People should also know that the Haitian peasantry was ruined by people like Delatour with his deliberate plan with U.S. guidance to destroy the Haitian rice producers and also by Jean-Claude Duvalier with his U.S - ordered pig extermination programme which wiped out the life savings of the Haitian peasantry. So what else could they do but to move to Port-au-Prince and start cutting down the nearby trees for charcoal?



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22 Jan 2011, 11:40 am

Wombat wrote:
nostromo wrote:
Another perspective is that they came from primitive tribespeople stolen from their families, transported against their will across the sea, plonked on a small piece of land and brutalised and forced into slavery. Would you expect that to build the foundation for a peaceful and organised country within a few lifetimes?!
White people created this problem to start with.


England sent their criminals and riff-raff to Australia where they were sold into limited slavery and beaten with whips.

Yet within a couple of generations the sons and daughters of the convicts built a prosperous and democratic country.


:lmao: Your logic is most entertaining.



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23 Jan 2011, 2:19 am

TechnicalPacifist wrote:
:lmao: Your logic is most entertaining.


Yes and it it is true too.
Do you know WHY England sent their criminals and political prisoners to Australia?

Because they could no longer send them to America after the revolution.

Before the revolution they shipped their convicts to America and SOLD them as "indentured servants".



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23 Jan 2011, 4:22 pm

Haiti used to produce its own cement. It doesn't any more. Whose idea was that? Oh yes, it was a condition for getting so-called international assistance!